Bill one more thing. The only reason you are looking for an exact number from us so that you can tear it apart no matter what we give you. We tell you higher then current, you'll tell us they will never go for it. We tell you to go lower, you'll tell us your club site owner will never go for it. If it's the same you'll tell us there is not enough room. The reason you haven't been given your wish is because we are not stupuid and we aren't members of your club. This time you'll have to think for yourself.