g'day boys, i'll try again to post, haven't had much luck uploading. MY f16, the FIRST one, is still going great, all you guys will be very happy with this model, it flys really well, smooth and stable and i concur with mr tor, if anything happened to it, i would buy another in a heartbeat. mine now has removeable elevators, a fair size job but excellent for transport, how about in the kit likai? the extended torque arms are possibly my fault, will never allow the term "that will do" to be heard over "thats the best i can manage" in my workshop. will post some photos of the removeable elevators later, and check the new post on the "fly eagle f16" its great!