Nice Ken,very informative,I guess there is really no "bad" design then. I ordered a Belt CP from HeliHobby a day ago,and have the jitters already. Like I mentioned,the Fun Piccolo was my first and only heli till now,and that damn thing was shelved for a year. It was like trying to fly a cinder block! A few months ago my interest was re-ignited so I blew the dust off the little turd,did a little research,and low and behold I can hover it.Mind you it cost me two bare bones kits and some parts off a cheap Hover Lite,but hey,with a little persistance and inginuity.........Anyhow heres a pic. Check out the 5.5mm knitting needle boom,the HoverLite blades and skids and the homemade head stiffener!LOL. Believe it or not,it flys!