i can't argue with that, John! the QHOR looks like terrific fun! I think the minimal investment is a key factor. I was out flying with a friend recently. I was flying one of my profile designs that didn't cost a thing because all the parts came out of my "junk" box. Iwas tail touching, doing elevators, just having a ball. My friend was flying a 33% edge and keeping things up high a bit so as not to endanger his investment. He was wishing he'd brought a beater like me!