I guess I took the comments a little to seriously. I was just venting and am sorry for the bad comments, and I still think you are a nice guy. I just did not like the crack you took at us. I personaly never messed with them, or FOX!!![X(] MDS was doomed from the get go, and there reputation for dead sticks got out very quickly.] Even if it was partially do to operator eror, there are too many good engines out there to take a chance on one of those. I know were a couple MDS'S are still sitting in the showcase, and nobody will buy them. As far as Fox goes, I have never seen one run decent. I have been around flyers who take this hobby very seriously (Pattern flying) my whole life. The only Fox's I have ever seen were by older stubburn gentleman, who refused to buy a foreign engine, and guess what, they sat there all day trying to tune it, and keep it running while we fly.