OK, more from the DPM booth at the Toledo Show: They are not taking orders yet, but expect the stock to be full in July - Aug '08 time frame and will take orders then. They will NOT take orders until they actually have the airplanes on hand so they can turn this whole bad business sense thing around. Although Cermark is now in charge of production and warehousing, Dave Patrick's name is still on the package and he will continue to run his site as before, so that's where you order once the green light is given. This time, however, the airplanes will actually be in stock in California - not still growing on a tree in China somewhere. DPM is working on updating their site to get this information out. (Where have we heard this one before? s/o) Anyway, that's the story. I did ask about the Ultimate. They said it is next in line to be produced, but right now the Cubs have priority.