Oh on engine stand.... I'm a paraplegic and confined to a wheelchair, moved it over their to get it out of the way. See the little T shaped bolt pointing straight down?, It does wonders on the knee when you cant feel it. Big scar is from peeling my kneecap back in restaurants where they have those fancy mechanical extensions to the table that pop up and lock [:@]

Oh and here a pic of what my A123 looks like a bit closer up. Bought a Dewalt pack and put it together myself got 5 packs for $87