yes i read it there. i thought (hoped) that rcu could explain there side. i am not sure i will like it, but i would like to know their reason. i have not forggoten 9/11 and i never will. sadam got what he had coming. man, it is getting tough not to say how i really feel. so i will leave it at this and await the good old POST REMOVED banner to be placed here. barry ps i hope my post is not removed, i feel this is a jet related matter due to the fact that it was a jet mfg that was involved. and i have tried hard not to really OFFEND anyone.