i wish to clarify who i am first. i am the owner of one bvm model (purchased here online) and many bvm products. i have a cai panther, hotspot,ad f16, pcm av8r, avonds f15, and maybe another i forgot about. so i dont want to be accused of being a bvm groupie when i ask why the bvm bomb sadam banner was removed. so here goes. why was the bvm bomb sadam banner removed? can we not be proud of our achievements. was it not the right thing to do. i know this is not a political forum and i do not wish it to be. but last time i watched the news, i do not believe it was a fresh scoop that we did bomb sadam and the world knows this. i did not see the banner as a political statement, just a proud american company that was proud of the usa. i wish we could go back to the times when that was an ok thing to be. just my 2 cents. barry

The website does say it all. Thanks David.

George

Read BVM's website.


FWIW there were quite a few friends of Buck Garza that got the privledge to have their names, and or groups names (The Mississippi Gang, and the Austin Gang) written on the sides of the bombs that were dropped on Iraq. The bleeding heart liberals that say that it is not politically correct need to remember September 11th, 2002. Was that more politically correct??

yes i read it there. i thought (hoped) that rcu could explain there side. i am not sure i will like it, but i would like to know their reason. i have not forggoten 9/11 and i never will. sadam got what he had coming. man, it is getting tough not to say how i really feel. so i will leave it at this and await the good old POST REMOVED banner to be placed here. barry ps i hope my post is not removed, i feel this is a jet related matter due to the fact that it was a jet mfg that was involved. and i have tried hard not to really OFFEND anyone.

I just thank god the war is over so many of us can go on with our lives. Some time this forum is my only escape from the reality and stress in this world and the media.

I would bet a weekends worth of Jet-A that the people doing the complaining don't even own jets much less a BVM jet.

It is this type of mentality that has our school boards doing ridiculous things like requiring removal of the mention of Mt. Rushmore from all text books because the mountain was sacred ground in centuries past for an Indian tribe in the region.

PEOPLE we live in the REAL world. Things MAY offend you from time to time. Things you do MAY offend ME from time to time. Get over it. The fantasy world some envision where everything said, printed, and otherwise encountered is politically correct and unoffensive to every conceivable group is an impossible dream. Were it ever to come true not even the worst of Saddam's thugs could force me to live there.

RCU should apologize for being pansies on this issue and put the banner ad back at the top of the jets page. It might not be a bad idea to run it free for a few weeks as a good-will gesture.

If worse comes to worse we can always move this discussion to RC Groups. I'm sure Jim Bourke would welcome the extra traffic.

Keith Hollifield

Well said Keith!

DavidR-

I could NOT agree with you more!!! Anybody who thinks that Saddam didn't support terrorism is just plain ignorant. Bombing Iraq was essentially "bombing" terrorism! Who exactly complained about the banner??????

Spencer Maze
CRCJA

The banner was showing support for the troops, and is a picture of an historic event. I guess the next thing to go will be the right to fly jet model warbirds. Not Right! The banner should be brought back.

I would have PAID to personally sponsor a bomb to combat terrorism---In reality, like it or not, all that pay taxes in the US did personally sponsor a bomb. We really don't know for sure why the ad was pulled. Has someone questioned Marc yet?

Kevin

I'm correcting myself...After reading BVM's web site we do know why the ad was pulled. So I guess those that complained support Saddam??? Does RCU support Saddam and his way of thinking by pulling the ad??? Marc---You need to rethink this...

Kevin

I thought----- first mistake,,,,, that you paid to have banners put on here. My friend paid 300 bucks or maybe more for one hundred thousand pop-ups.

Dave R

Maybe BV's number of page views ran out or something..

Saddam isn't a Mod on RCU is he?

Support our troops, our friends, our way of life, SUPPORT AMERICA!

Makes me want to buy BVM products and hold off all purchases to RCU hats, t-shirts, etc.

Mike

To quote Dennis Miller..

"I hated crazy wacko terrorists who want to kill me on Sept 10th of that year."

Sept 11th just showed the rest of the world why. I absolutely applaud BV's stance on this, and his decision to pull the ad. This political correctness nonsense is creating a country full of people unable or unwilling to speak their mind for fear of offending someone. You know what.. the inability to speak my mind and have my own opinion offends ME.

The ad was nothing but patriotism.. RCU made a BIG mistake in asking BV to change it. Bad move guys.. bad move.

Doug Cronkhite

Ditto to the last 13 replys. The P.C. crowd are going to be the demise of the American way of life. Out here on the left coast we are rapidly turning into the peoples republic of California. The P.C. and victim mentatility crowd are in now small part responsible for that. It's happening the "firstest and the fastest" here. Pray for the rest of the country. Scott Rais

There goes the jet forum.

You guys are pieces of work....

Here is my statement...agree with it or not but it is what I felt was fair since you all felt you deserved a reply on this.

The content of the ad was not relevant. It could have been any political ad either for or against the war, for or against our president, for any government policy or against it. Doesn't matter. If you read RCU's rules here ( http://www.rcuniverse.com/showthread...hreadid=377662 ) you will see this rule under topics of discussion "No political, social, religious, or other similar off topic discussion will be allowed."

Well...the ad was clearly a politically charged ad. I spoke with a dozen people to get an opinion whether they felt this was political and overwhelmingly the vote was that it would qualify for being "political" in nature. Based on that and our rules the ad would not be allowed on our site. We have removed many postings regarding the war, politics and religion since day one as RCU was created for one thing only. That one thing is radio control. The discussion of off topic issues can be taken to the millions of other sites on the web. If you want to discuss the hobby you come here. Not everyone wants to bask in world events on their favorite RC site. If you crave that stuff go to sites that proliferate it but then ask yourself if you go to that site for politics or for RC. BVM has every right to their opinion as well as how they want to represent their company and express those opinions. However I have to be fair to every member here and apply the rules across the board to the entire site without exception so the ad was removed on this rule. To not do so would show favoritism and double standards.

To draw the conclusion that RCU has made any sort of political statement or has taken a position for or against the ad itself is an error of judgement on your part. Whether you support the war or don't doesn't matter. What does matter is that RC Universe is NOT the platform to discuss these things. Don't like it? Go to RC Groups or flightlines.com and knock yourself out. It is your choice in the end.

This site will remain on its mission of providing RC related content and RC related content ONLY. Again if you don't like that and want to talk about other stuff go elsewhere or build your own site and then you have a soapbox to do whatever you want to do.

This very thread is a perfect example of the ugliness that politics or religion can bring out in people. People feel strongly about these subjects and get all fired up about it. That is fine as people are entitled to their opinions. We just don't want to hear about it here. We want to hear about RC planes, cars, helis and boats here. RCU is a place to get away from it all and enjoy the hobby.

I hold no grudge, ill will or anything toward BVM or Bob Violett. This is simply a matter of each of us standing up for what we both believe is in the best interest of our own companies. Nobody is wrong it is just that what is right for one person might not be right for another.

Marc
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