the guy at my lhs said the Jammin are pretty good for a rtr and very upgradable. The only reason Im not completely sold is that I alslo hear that that model has been out for awhile and they may need to update it. Im in the same boat as you I want the rtr because I really dont want to spend 6 or 7 hundred on just a kit [X(] and put another maybe 500 in parts needed. Not yet anyway. Im not a complete noob but most people who buy those expensive kits already have engines and other gear laying around to just throw in. When I get to that point Ill be more likely to buy a kit until then Ill be looking at you thread and mine to see what people say is the best way to start off.