The Heli's aren't too bad... just try not to crash.. the real expense is the thousands I have in my HPI Baja 5B.. I don't want to go there, the wife may see this.. You still have that honda? Must be a rocket by now.. I still lurk around here from time to time, still have the Matrix Buggy, but all the other Cens are gone... Nothing wrong with the cens, just moved on to different things..