thanks for the input delman been trying to see if they had a sit just missed trying to talk to some one on that field always at work when 1 of them was over there flying .
as for type of plan its not sport or warbird i say may be trainer
i put some photos in my gallery sorry for the quality of photos best i got at moment.
as for the engines the only thing i could find on them was mahle 49zn2 on the larger 1 and 44zn18 on the small 1
as for the controler it is a futaba conqusest i think its a late 80s or early 90s model
and thanks agine for any and all help you can give me i try and catch 1 of those guys over at that field and email the aeromodel site get some to look it over .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s as for weight dont know did just find out threw a sales cataloge it had a front landing wheel that was steered i will try some way to try and weighe it not always good with weights always under estimating work with heavy stuff all the time and its hard to tell with light stuff