Thanks for the response. I obviously didn'y make myself very clear. I'm NOT into 3D, and not sure I ever want to be. I prefer more scale-like flight. In the case of a quarter scale sport bipe, that would include loops, rolls, hammerheads, tail slides, etc. 3D is not in my vocabulary. The idea of looking at a comparable kit is a good one, and one I hadn't thought of. Sometimes the obvious isn't obvious.