goods words of advice pizzaman im gonna leave it for now, although i did move the c.g back past 5 1/4 not quite to 3/8's im thinking thats gonna do it.. i do a litte 3-d w/ this one and leave the heavy stuff to my reactor and soon the ultra rc giles wait'n on the motor 4 that one hopefully gonna go this week one morn and i'll keep u up on the flight tendencies...thanx tim... added a cpl pics for ur veiwing pleasure