Im not saying sportswerks has, but like he said these buggies(turmoil,OFNA/Jammin, Thunder Tiger) are all in the same category and they have won. I didnt mean to offend anyone just state that people shouldnt bash someones mid level rc and tell them theyll never win with it. I didnt say anyone was hopping on any bandwagon either but people do go for the newest models. Its funny how I always hear that its 10% car and 90% driver but then people argue about which car is best.