at first i thought about e-flite's dueces wild
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=EFL4550
but i can't see spending $300 on just an air frame where the twinstar is only $109. plus if the guy at my club would want to sell his to me, might even get it cheaper, and it is already put together where all i'd have to do is fit my electric motors to it. i'll be seing him tomorrow so is will find out.