thanks for all the commments.
That flight club is over 4 hours away from me.

There is NO ONE around here i RC. It sucks.

Not to sound cheap I am not ready to spend 200.00 dollars on this hobby until I can fly and not worry about crashing. On the SIM I have it is easy, and I can crash all day long. LOL

I was looking at these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tab%3DWatching

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tab%3DWatching

I know they are probaly clones, or not the best, But that price works for me until I can fly reliably with out worriing, and alot of money invested, and also my father will learn on it with me, and I love the guy, but it scares me cause he may crash ( them older guys catch on harder LOL j/k) But I do know my father and if it gets to complicated he will get frustrated, (unlike me) and he will not want to do it. SO I am trying to make this as fun and painless as I can, because if he gets so he can do it he will be hooked (he already uses a Esky SIM like me so he is not clueless, nor am I), I already am hooked, and then we can get something better.

Thanks everyone