yeah trust me i have looked all over for it from page to page i even e-mailed them and they have no clue either(go figure) they told me to ask on here, of all things to not put in the manual, this manual was the worst that i ever seen in the fifteen years that i have been flyin, if you didn't now a little about planes im not sure if the plane could even be built from these. well ill just wing it and hope for the best, i don't like doin that but i have no other choice. any other help would be great