Thanks to all of you for the hints there is much food for thought in your replies.Guess maybe I have to put in more effort to use the rudder.Will be flying mostly floats for next few months till go back to AZ this fall but the cub and tele both use lot of rudder actually to do anything.Shame about the Citabria I think they are the nicest looking plane but haven't run into many ppeople that think they are nice to fly.Don't know if it is just this Sig one or all of them,mine is still in Az waiting new front end after one of it's tip stalls when I tried to horse it into the air before it was ready.Never seem to learn to let it run till it goes up on its own.If it don't ground loop it tip stalls,kind of fun to watch someone who is good fly it looks so easy but even the fellow who showed me it could be flown has one and says he doesn't fly it because to much work said it will try every nasty thing know to a plane and just not fun to fly.Well thanks a lot to all of you.Bob Moodie