RE: ARFs and (B)ARFS. Nothing can be made foolproof against a sufficiently talented fool. Arf or kit, there is still some value added by the builder. It goes without saying that experience will usually rule the day in the long run. By the way, my H-9 Sukhoi came in at 25.5 lbs, and that includes (2) 1700 mah NiCad batteries and a Zenoah 80 engine. NS SHERLOCK