Might I add. Folks don't listen much to the "nasayers," you know the, ( the ones that like to keep stuff stirred up). There's 3 or 4 of them that like to follow this thread. And more than likely haven't bought from Nitro. For sure Nitro has had problems, & John does a pretty darn good job, If you listen to your own mind, for the price ya get a pretty good product.