These are 3 D planes and they need a Saito 82
ARF's
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HAN4150
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HAN4275
Kit
http://www.swanyshouse.com/mojo/mojo.aspx
You Super Stick will Do the pattern. You need to fly it trying to do what you can until you wear it out