Yup! I remember when the giant aeromaster bipe was huge and the CGM ultimate bipe was all that and a bag of chips! Heck, the best pattern planes were super koas's?! but they still are. I even remember the two choices you had were build a kit , which there were about 300 to chose from or scratch build, but it seemed like every plane you could imagine was kitted by someone and the only limiting factor was size, you just lived with size, the model was more important than the shear size of it. Now a days, they offer every possible size of almost every 3D aerobatic plane on the market, ready to fly in 6 hours or less, man I really miss the good old standard,...Byron kits.