Hahaha. I have to tell you Dave, I learned the hard way with these jets. I kept buying the less expensive, but "same quality" other brands, only to be disappointed will performance, flying characteristics, approach speeds, build quality, durability, etc. As much as I've spent in crap planes, I could have bought 4 Ultra Bandits by now.

I go to these jet rallies and see all these 3,5, 10+ year old BVM jets, but the other brands only seem to last a couple years, if that long. I don't want to have to keep replacing planes that blow up, or suffer through flights with TERRIBLE flying traits (Velox). I want a plane that's flies true and will last more than a season or two.....and I want it in 2 different sizes

I too used to be a BVM nay sayer. What can I say? I was wrong.

I also have to say that Mark Taylor, Kent Nogy, Matt West and Paul Bageman played a big part in getting me familiar with the products. The planes did the rest.