thanks CGr, i do have my heart set on the yak, but i had doubts cause it is more of a 3d airframe. i dont want to do total pattern , its just not me , i would rather do 3d stuff. i had a showtime 90 with the ys in it but i dumb thumbed it one day , only had about 12 flights on that airframe and didnt get a chance to try any 3d with it .i would have got another but now that aircraft cant be got ,looks like they have stopped making it unfortunately. anyway as you said yourself its the way you set it up . thanks again for the info!.