Glowplugboy I have had the same experience with "don't need no instructor" types also. Latest one has me stumped though, a doctor who has the latest greatest RC heli $ can buy, he joined AMA, joined the club, has called and asked for help several times, and been to the field twice in 2 years! It seems he thinks he should be able to be a pilot just by having someone explain it to him, or maybe the "laying of hands" on his thumbs or something. We did get him on a trainer plane one time, after he had destroyed his 40 glow trainer trying to fly it in his subdivsion on his own, he said it was to hard and went out and bought the heli!