i'm not really going to go any further with this after this post. I know rick and i told him he was a stand up guy. my intension was not to run the club or field down as some have suggested but just to simply explain why i'd rather fly off pavement rather than grass . 99% of my flying is off grass and that's why i don't own any heavy scale jets. IMO grass is to hard on the airframes ,gear , etc. when i say this i'm talking from experience. i know what frost does to dirt. i'm sure there's a lot of guys that have places they like or don't like . personally i think the imaa meet held in hamburg is a go to place. to answer your question about if i have ever been to hamburg is simple, yes . i was there last year and had a good time . your question is what's wrong with people willing to jump your sh** with out the facts. you just assumed i had never been there and that i was throwing rocks at a club without the facts.Well i like to think i know what i'm talking about but at the same time i'm to willing stand corrected if i am wrong . so for the last time please don't read anymore into it than there is , WB_1