Thanks for all the tips. Funnily enough I worked out FAR by common sense when just flying tail in. I have progressed to a comfortable 80 degree right hand offset and am trying to be more assertive with my control movements as confidence grows. Albeit as soon as I go nose in I go to pieces. Must be in my head. I have orderd a sim and will give it a try. I hope to progress to somthing like the Eolo so I can use it in my garden. (Well away from any flying site) But must say the Hoverflight 2 is great for indoors.