Your light hearted attempt to dodge the point still supports it If you don't include the F-14 engines, then you will will not get enough speed thus not enough "lift". Therefore, as you alluded in an obscure way in your prior post, any object can create lift if it has enough air (speed) moving past it. But a properly designed airfoil is required for controlled flight of any given craft. I don't think anyone here is lost on that point, unless you really are!