Well spoken Alan!!! ChazM, yes, I am talking about a subtle slip. As to the wind shift, sure, reaction is part of the game whether a WW1, WW2, or a jet. Again, rather than the flight rules, this should be a discussion about who, what, and how competes. with out attracting newbies, in ten years there will be five of us staring at each other. The goal (I think???) is fun, fellowship, and learning to be a better modeler/flyer. As 9of9 pointed out, I had my ***** handed to me my first season. I talked to people, listened to those who did well and went home and built a new model. The next year I won twice. A bigggggggggggggggg thanks to Roy Valincort who explained a static book isn't a history of the aircraft:-)