Hey, the guy asked a question and needed some info, so I gave him the BEST answer I knew. There are literally volumes of info on this exact subject at those sites and I did not have the time or inclination to write them all here. So what should we do, not give the guy help because it exists on another stunt specific forum so we please you, or should we help the guy out if he needs it? These forums are great and I have gotten and given much info here, but to be honest, the best and most control line flyers frequent those 2 forums and a control line hopeful could learn anything and everything they ever wondered about there. Lets not let politics stand in the way of a guy getting some good info.