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Old 02-20-2010 | 11:20 PM
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rambler53
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Default RE: Alpha 40 trainer Crash, need help

You assume the "club" instruction is going to do that automatically, but not always in practice. Maybe it's because we have too many flying days a year here in Florida?

Sure, they're supposed to save the beginner by giving them their experience freely for setting up the plane, etc etc.
The forums are a great example of how that will give them conflicting opinions though all day long. I've seen the situation before with three guys trying to tell the new guy their way is best, and don't listen to the other two. I've seen clubs ignore the new guys, snobs walk away like they don't want to be bothered, and crashes result anyway after all the talking is done. Some swear by the Alpha trainer products for example, and others such as yourself, insist the Avistar is the way to go. Everyone is different. It's too sweeping a comment to say everyone will benefit from joining AMA and a club. In some cases, it's just as unreliable as going it alone if not more.

Example
One guy I know being an RCU member by the way, brought his new Nexstar to a club by recommendations on the forum here, and he found a club member there to get him flying for the first time on the 3rd week, using a buddy cord. Sadly, a know it all member showed up 15 minutes before they closed down at dusk, and he proceeded to fire up his low wing sport plane in a hurry, to get a flight in between getting out of work and heading home. What he forgot to check before taking off, was the frequency board, and shot down the trainer, as well as crash his own plane into the safety wall.
He flipped out on the beginner saying it was all his fault, in spite of an instructor helping him! To make it even more sickening, the guy bullied the beginner into paying for his plane or he wouldn't be allowed to return to the club again!
So much for clubs that follow AMA rules, and welcoming new people to the hobby. I'm sure it's 1 in 1000, but it's still happening.

Example two
I've seen people sneer and laugh at people showing up with 27Mhz radio shack planes (IRKS), or grumble about another rookie on the runway getting in their way of having a good time (Sebastian). Most of the EP users don't even show up at the clubs anymore, they come to our renegade field (compound) of happiness, and nice guys that help out because they want to. We're as big as two local clubs in our area. We see familiar faces come to our field to fly from time to time. Some say they're Rossi is too loud to fly, so they fly it here, some say the same as I'm reporting here, they're tired of the politics in the meetings and at the field.

I've enjoyed this open field for 10 years now.
That's $570 in AMA savings,
$850 in club fees. I've been flying since the 80s and taught myself, later getting help to progress when a more experienced guy showed up at our field. So how much money is that in savings? I didn't crash my trainer either
except for nose gear bends, thank you Kadet Senior.
I could buy a radial engine today with the money I've saved plus a plane to stick it on.
I didn't fly Avistars, and learned just fine on windy days. Texas wind is pretty nasty though, I've been there. Lots of renegade fields exist there because people don't want to travel 50 miles to get to a club. Nothing is wrong with Avistars, it's just another way to go, for some, not for all. Some find it too light/small/advanced.

Bottom line, he's got pretty far already on his own,
and landing is just something we all had to learn with practice.
He's almost there, in my opinion. it's not the most popular post, but it's just as much fact.
Some clubs are for the birds. Some clubs are blameless. To each his own.
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