carrellh, its not that I dont want to get a pt-60. Its the only 60 size trainer kit that I can find that anyone has in stock right now. I just wanted to get other opinions before I bought. Goldberg Tiger 60 is in stock also. I asked about that one after reading on here that it could be used as a trainer. I searched for Kadet Lt-40 kit & Senior Telemaster. No one seems to have those either. I have no problem with the pt-60 if you think it would be the better way to go.