Well, being a electric newb,,and after doing a little reserach I come to find the Ebay Vendor (Tom's RC Simulator aka tti_7), who I'll never buy from again,, included the wrong voltage battery pack, he sent a 7 cell 8.4v NiMH pack, not a 8 cell 9.6 pack, that extra voltage might very well make the difference.

I'm going to order a coupe small 3s lipos and give it another try before I do anything else,,

more later