It's good to remember, bashing wont get us anywhere's. It just "P.O's" some defensive people off. It's just a given in my book that when we take on this hobby, it's up to our own skill's and ingenuity to make improvments on the less than good thought-out ARF"s that are out there. With that in mind............. Bob, it's more clear now what you described on the gear fatigue. What tha heck, it's only money, right ? So I ordered an H-9 Cub gear. The L-4 does have a certain amount of appeal but I already have 37 fully operational aircraft. Look's like the Turbo Porter 1.40 size thread has fizzled out, is it boring ? MM