I can't do a torque roll circle either, at least i'm not going to say i can as first it would but pressure on myself and secondly seem a big headed twat, i have never heard or seen one done (ever). I wounder how the plane could be controlled to that extent so the torque pulling the plane round is also used/balanced/counteracted to move in a very acurate direction ? I would love to see a very big plane do this. I'm saddened Phill isn't going to Wales 3D, thats one of the reasons i was going, honestly i saw ALI at wings +,wheels (sun) and Phill at Teeside show, i think Phill was as good, ok ALI was under tons more pressue with thousands watching not hundreds,his trade stand there e.t.c .But Phill + Paul had serious hang overs (you should have seen the bloodshot eyes) i would't have flown a kite in thier condition. Paul is also very talented but it's like everything else when you go head to head, I.E. Rubeons Barricello. Say no more. I hope you lot come to Teesside show next year there is a rumor the Saturday will be a 3D show only !!!!! This will be a first, it's about time the shows moved with the times. We know not many people can fly 3D but theres no mistake MOST people like to watch 3D. BO SELECTA