Ok I don,t beleve it is bad advice to normally engine up somewhere from the midrange of a manufacturers suggestion to the upper end of that range I am sorry you do not agree however that will remain my advice to the original poster and that is certainly not "disingenuous". He can do with it as he will.

I don,t care what you do or how long you have been flying or how many people you have taught I will continue to suggest the above for new folks.

What I will not be be drawn into is a big pointless discussion over manufacturers specs.

I have stated my opinion, it stands and I will not belabor the point in this thread any further Please feel free to trounce all you want.

John