Nominating Committee Minutes
09-21-2003 | 11:17 PM
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I ran the image through OCR software. The Names, initials, headers, signatures, etc have been removed. These are the "bodies" of the minutes and addendum. They can be compared to the images. The documents were obtained by requesting the latest EC minutes from AMA HQ. They are available to any AMA member.
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NC Minutes:
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Bill Oberdieck at 8:02 AM.
Positions to be considered for the upcoming election include Vice Presidents in Districts 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10.
The Chairman appointed Dave Mathewson as recording secretary and Russ Miller as teller. The members are all in possession of, and have reviewed, all the documents pertaining to each
The Chairman informed the committee of inquires he had received over the nominees' involved in the District 8 election, A discussion ensued involving the entire nominating process.
The Committee will suggest to the AMA president that a committee be appointed to review the election process.
The Committee suggests that any information regarding nominees be held confidential to all
until the close of the nomination process.
District 2 - Charlie Bauer moved that Dave Mathewson, the one nominee, be placed on the
ballot. The motion was seconded by Bliss Teague. The motion carried.
District 4 - Russ Miller moved that the one nominee, Bliss Teague, be placed on the ballot. Doug Holland seconded the motion. The motion carried.
District 6 - Bob Brown moved that the one nominee, Charlie Bauer, be placed on the ballot. Russ Miller seconded the motion. The motion carried.
District 10 - Bob Brown moved that the one nominee, Rich Hanson, be placed on the ballot. The motion was seconded by Doug Holland. The motion carried.
District 8- There was seven nominees presented for consideration. Three nominees did not meet the criteria to hold office. Rich Hanson moved that candidate Moss not be considered because he did not meet the requirements of Leader Membership by the required date. Bliss Teague seconded the motion. The motion carried. Two nominees presented letters withdrawing their name from consideration. Charlie Bauer then moved that both remaining nominees, Sandy Frank and Horrace Cain, be placed on the ballot. Sandy Frank seconded the motion. The motion passed 10 for, 1 against.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:01 AM.
Addendum:
During presentation of the Nominating Committee report at the July 12, 2003 Executive Council meeting it became apparent that there was a considerable amount of ambiguity in both the Standing Rules and the AMA By-Laws regarding nominating procedures. After a review of all the documents, and on advise of council who also reviewed all the documents, Committee Chairman, Bill Oberdieck, called for reconsideration of the decision to disqualify Mike Moss for failing to meet all of the requirements necessary to be on the ballot. A revote on the issue resulted in Mike Moss being added to the ballot for election to the office of Vice President in District VIII.
JR
NC Minutes:
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Bill Oberdieck at 8:02 AM.
Positions to be considered for the upcoming election include Vice Presidents in Districts 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10.
The Chairman appointed Dave Mathewson as recording secretary and Russ Miller as teller. The members are all in possession of, and have reviewed, all the documents pertaining to each
The Chairman informed the committee of inquires he had received over the nominees' involved in the District 8 election, A discussion ensued involving the entire nominating process.
The Committee will suggest to the AMA president that a committee be appointed to review the election process.
The Committee suggests that any information regarding nominees be held confidential to all
until the close of the nomination process.
District 2 - Charlie Bauer moved that Dave Mathewson, the one nominee, be placed on the
ballot. The motion was seconded by Bliss Teague. The motion carried.
District 4 - Russ Miller moved that the one nominee, Bliss Teague, be placed on the ballot. Doug Holland seconded the motion. The motion carried.
District 6 - Bob Brown moved that the one nominee, Charlie Bauer, be placed on the ballot. Russ Miller seconded the motion. The motion carried.
District 10 - Bob Brown moved that the one nominee, Rich Hanson, be placed on the ballot. The motion was seconded by Doug Holland. The motion carried.
District 8- There was seven nominees presented for consideration. Three nominees did not meet the criteria to hold office. Rich Hanson moved that candidate Moss not be considered because he did not meet the requirements of Leader Membership by the required date. Bliss Teague seconded the motion. The motion carried. Two nominees presented letters withdrawing their name from consideration. Charlie Bauer then moved that both remaining nominees, Sandy Frank and Horrace Cain, be placed on the ballot. Sandy Frank seconded the motion. The motion passed 10 for, 1 against.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:01 AM.
Addendum:
During presentation of the Nominating Committee report at the July 12, 2003 Executive Council meeting it became apparent that there was a considerable amount of ambiguity in both the Standing Rules and the AMA By-Laws regarding nominating procedures. After a review of all the documents, and on advise of council who also reviewed all the documents, Committee Chairman, Bill Oberdieck, called for reconsideration of the decision to disqualify Mike Moss for failing to meet all of the requirements necessary to be on the ballot. A revote on the issue resulted in Mike Moss being added to the ballot for election to the office of Vice President in District VIII.
09-22-2003 | 01:57 AM
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RE: Nominating Committee Minutes
Click for full size and the jpg files open up like a picture.
You can then see all the names, etc. and note the dates of July 12 for the first "minutes" and July 24 for the addendum.
Lots of time in there for a few discussions. Wonder what was really discussed?
JR keeps dwelling on these two documents. Something is going over my head. I fail to see any significance to them other than being evidence of the fact that the Nom. Comm. Chairman was less than informed concerning his duties when the first meeting commenced.
These 'minutes' have been discussed here before. JR are you being trained by the EC? They screw up, and either have to take a remake or generally ignore the errors. As the EC's primary press-secretary spelled "lackey" you do so dote on the insignificant.
You can then see all the names, etc. and note the dates of July 12 for the first "minutes" and July 24 for the addendum.
Lots of time in there for a few discussions. Wonder what was really discussed?
JR keeps dwelling on these two documents. Something is going over my head. I fail to see any significance to them other than being evidence of the fact that the Nom. Comm. Chairman was less than informed concerning his duties when the first meeting commenced.
These 'minutes' have been discussed here before. JR are you being trained by the EC? They screw up, and either have to take a remake or generally ignore the errors. As the EC's primary press-secretary spelled "lackey" you do so dote on the insignificant.
09-22-2003 | 09:12 AM
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After looking at the NC Minutes, the next question is probably "What does this mean?"
In District 8 there were 7 nominations recieved by the Nominating Committee (NC). Horrace Cain was a nominee as was the incumbent, Dr. Sandy Frank.
Of the three candidates deemed not "meeting the criteria to hold office", two were nominated by Horrace Cain, which he has confirmed in posts elsewhere. Their acceptance of their nominations were not received by the NC. The third was the nomination of Mike Moss. He was not a Leader Member when the closing of nominations took place, which is a requirement under the Standing Rules governing the NC. A motion was made and carried that Moss "did not meet the requirements of Leader Membership by the required date".
Sandy Frank, in turn had nominated one of his AVP's, Bill Lee and one of his Contest Co-ordinators, Doug Powell. Lee and Powell, who were present at the EC meeting, withdrew their nominations.
That left Cain and Frank, alone, as the remaining nominees. A motion was made and carried to place them on the ballot.
After the meeting, as addressed by the addendum, Moss was added to the ballot, filling the three allowable slots.
Jim Branaum took offense to what he considered less than an acceptable use of a loop-hole in the rules and by-laws that allowed what he calls an attempt to "stuff the nominations process" by both Horrace Cain and Sandy Frank, a prior AMA VP and an incumbent VP. He launched a write-in campaign shortly after the NC meeting.
In District 8 there were 7 nominations recieved by the Nominating Committee (NC). Horrace Cain was a nominee as was the incumbent, Dr. Sandy Frank.
Of the three candidates deemed not "meeting the criteria to hold office", two were nominated by Horrace Cain, which he has confirmed in posts elsewhere. Their acceptance of their nominations were not received by the NC. The third was the nomination of Mike Moss. He was not a Leader Member when the closing of nominations took place, which is a requirement under the Standing Rules governing the NC. A motion was made and carried that Moss "did not meet the requirements of Leader Membership by the required date".
Sandy Frank, in turn had nominated one of his AVP's, Bill Lee and one of his Contest Co-ordinators, Doug Powell. Lee and Powell, who were present at the EC meeting, withdrew their nominations.
That left Cain and Frank, alone, as the remaining nominees. A motion was made and carried to place them on the ballot.
After the meeting, as addressed by the addendum, Moss was added to the ballot, filling the three allowable slots.
Jim Branaum took offense to what he considered less than an acceptable use of a loop-hole in the rules and by-laws that allowed what he calls an attempt to "stuff the nominations process" by both Horrace Cain and Sandy Frank, a prior AMA VP and an incumbent VP. He launched a write-in campaign shortly after the NC meeting.
09-22-2003 | 12:55 PM
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In February I told Bill Lee that I was not going to run because I was having too much fun being a modeler. That seems to have allowed some legal but immoral activity surrounding the nominations in District VIII. Those actions did not and should not have happened because they clearly indicate that those candidates are more interested in their own power than the future of the AMA.
I feel that the leadership of a $10 million dollar organization should have significantly higher ethics than was demonstrated by two of the candidates who are on the ballot have shown. I made that opinion known to more than one person on the Nominating Committee before the meeting on 12 July. I was embarrassed for the AMA EC who were among the victims of this low moral activity when the ballot was set and took action accordingly. The Nominating Committee hands were tied and they acted within the confines and scope of the rules in place now. I suspect that those rules may change based on the actions of most of the candidates in District VIII.
My write in campaign is an attempt to move the AMA from a few who seem to feel they own the organization to something more resembling a democracy. One of the two folks who has tried to corrupt the nomination process hides from the public and has yet to even try to explain his action and it is clear he expects to be elected since he is the incumbent. Meanwhile the other brags about how he tried to use the system to improve HIS situation rather than discuss how his immoral action would have helped the AMA.
Sorry folks, neither individual represents the morality we need running the AMA. I have expressed this opinion everywhere I can and have yet to find other AMA members who disagree with me on that point.
If you agree, please write my name and AMA number in on your District VIII AMA ballot.
Jim Branaum AMA 1428
I feel that the leadership of a $10 million dollar organization should have significantly higher ethics than was demonstrated by two of the candidates who are on the ballot have shown. I made that opinion known to more than one person on the Nominating Committee before the meeting on 12 July. I was embarrassed for the AMA EC who were among the victims of this low moral activity when the ballot was set and took action accordingly. The Nominating Committee hands were tied and they acted within the confines and scope of the rules in place now. I suspect that those rules may change based on the actions of most of the candidates in District VIII.
My write in campaign is an attempt to move the AMA from a few who seem to feel they own the organization to something more resembling a democracy. One of the two folks who has tried to corrupt the nomination process hides from the public and has yet to even try to explain his action and it is clear he expects to be elected since he is the incumbent. Meanwhile the other brags about how he tried to use the system to improve HIS situation rather than discuss how his immoral action would have helped the AMA.
Sorry folks, neither individual represents the morality we need running the AMA. I have expressed this opinion everywhere I can and have yet to find other AMA members who disagree with me on that point.
If you agree, please write my name and AMA number in on your District VIII AMA ballot.
Jim Branaum AMA 1428
09-22-2003 | 02:42 PM
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RE: Nominating Committee Minutes
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JR "Wrong again!": " The third was the nomination of Mike Moss. He was not a Leader Member when the closing of nominations took place, which is a requirement under the Standing Rules governing the NC. A motion was made and carried that Moss "did not meet the requirements of Leader Membership by the required date".
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There is no such requirement in the Nominating Committee Standing Rules or in the AMA Bylaws.
Nominating Committee Standing Rules of Feb. 9, '02:
2. Chairperson:
c. Paraphrased: The chairman is to verify all nomination letters, candidate acceptance statements and resumes have been received and meet all requirements 20 days prior to convening the meeting....
No mention of Leader status here. Note the 20 DAYS!
6. Candidate's Acceptance:
a. A letter of acceptance by the candidate must be on file at AMA headquarters fifteen (15) prior to the meeting.
FIFTEEN (15) WHAT? THE NC IS THE EC. THEY WROTE THESE RULES YET THE CHAIRMAN IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE INFORMATION 20 DAYS PRIOR TO THE REQUIREMENT OF 15 DAYS ( I suppose days) THAT THE STUFF IS DUE!!!!
No wonder acceptance statements don't find their way to the NC.
b. Paraphrased: States requirements of Resume.
"1. Statement of Leader Member status and date on which it was conferred."
THIS COULD EASILY BE SATISFIED WITH "PENDING!"
THE STANDING RULES DEFINE PROCEDURES.
THE BYLAWS DEFINE REQUIREMENTS.
AMA BYLAWS, ARTICLE IX Section 3: "To be eligible to discharge the duties of an elected AMA Officer other than the President, a nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA."
TO DISCHARGE... How much plainer can it be? One does not discharge the duties until one takes the office.
So for all you people out there, please watch what JR proclaims as gospel. He will preach whatever he is told by his EC friends. IMO it's very sad when a man obviously with talent, experience and obvious interest simply cannot think, and analyze for himself.
It is also sad that the NMC chairperson cannot assure that he is 101% informed on his duties long before he performs those duties.
JR "Wrong again!": " The third was the nomination of Mike Moss. He was not a Leader Member when the closing of nominations took place, which is a requirement under the Standing Rules governing the NC. A motion was made and carried that Moss "did not meet the requirements of Leader Membership by the required date".
<<<<<<<<<<
There is no such requirement in the Nominating Committee Standing Rules or in the AMA Bylaws.
Nominating Committee Standing Rules of Feb. 9, '02:
2. Chairperson:
c. Paraphrased: The chairman is to verify all nomination letters, candidate acceptance statements and resumes have been received and meet all requirements 20 days prior to convening the meeting....
No mention of Leader status here. Note the 20 DAYS!
6. Candidate's Acceptance:
a. A letter of acceptance by the candidate must be on file at AMA headquarters fifteen (15) prior to the meeting.
FIFTEEN (15) WHAT? THE NC IS THE EC. THEY WROTE THESE RULES YET THE CHAIRMAN IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE INFORMATION 20 DAYS PRIOR TO THE REQUIREMENT OF 15 DAYS ( I suppose days) THAT THE STUFF IS DUE!!!!
No wonder acceptance statements don't find their way to the NC.
b. Paraphrased: States requirements of Resume.
"1. Statement of Leader Member status and date on which it was conferred."
THIS COULD EASILY BE SATISFIED WITH "PENDING!"
THE STANDING RULES DEFINE PROCEDURES.
THE BYLAWS DEFINE REQUIREMENTS.
AMA BYLAWS, ARTICLE IX Section 3: "To be eligible to discharge the duties of an elected AMA Officer other than the President, a nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA."
TO DISCHARGE... How much plainer can it be? One does not discharge the duties until one takes the office.
So for all you people out there, please watch what JR proclaims as gospel. He will preach whatever he is told by his EC friends. IMO it's very sad when a man obviously with talent, experience and obvious interest simply cannot think, and analyze for himself.
It is also sad that the NMC chairperson cannot assure that he is 101% informed on his duties long before he performs those duties.
09-22-2003 | 04:20 PM
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For those interested, the By-Laws and Standing Rules are in the AMA Membership Manual, available on the AMA web page.
From the Standing Rules:
"6. Candidate’s Acceptance:
a. A letter of acceptance by the candidate must be on file at AMA
Headquarters fifteen (15) prior to the meeting"
The EC is NOT the NC
From the Standing Rules:
"NOMINATING COMMITTEE
Relating to Article IX
1. Composition of Committee:
a. All eleven Vice Presidents and the Executive Vice President are to
sit on the Nominating Committee and will constitute the Committee in
total. (Legal Council may attend.)"
The NC is NOT the EC
From the By-Laws:
"ARTICLE IX
Nominations and Elections
Section 1. AMA officers shall be nominated by a Nominating
Committee composed of the District Vice Presidents (or an Open
member from the district of the absent Vice President as designated by
the absent Vice President), and the Executive Vice President (or an Open
member as designated by the absent Executive Vice President). The
Nominating Committee shall operate annually and under procedures
defined in the Standing Rules attached to these Bylaws. The Nominating
Committee shall be responsible for nominating the candidates for each
office to be vacated at the end of the year."
From the By-Laws:
Section 3. To be eligible to discharge the duties of AMA President, a
nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA and must previously
have served as a member of the Executive Council or as Associate Vice
President or as a Contest Board member for at least one year.
To be eligible to discharge the duties of an elected AMA officer other
than President, a nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA.
To be eligible to discharge the duties of an appointed AMA officer,
including Associate Vice President, Contest Board member, and Contest
Coordinator, an appointee must be a Leader member of the AMA.
The NC Minutes Addendum:
During presentation of the Nominating Committee report at the July 12, 2003 Executive Council meeting it became apparent that there was a considerable amount of ambiguity in both the Standing Rules and the AMA By-Laws regarding nominating procedures. After a review of all the documents, and on advise of council who also reviewed all the documents, Committee Chairman, Bill Oberdieck, called for reconsideration of the decision to disqualify Mike Moss for failing to meet all of the requirements necessary to be on the ballot. A revote on the issue resulted in Mike Moss being added to the ballot for election to the office of Vice President in District VIII
From the Standing Rules:
"6. Candidate’s Acceptance:
a. A letter of acceptance by the candidate must be on file at AMA
Headquarters fifteen (15) prior to the meeting"
The EC is NOT the NC
From the Standing Rules:
"NOMINATING COMMITTEE
Relating to Article IX
1. Composition of Committee:
a. All eleven Vice Presidents and the Executive Vice President are to
sit on the Nominating Committee and will constitute the Committee in
total. (Legal Council may attend.)"
The NC is NOT the EC
From the By-Laws:
"ARTICLE IX
Nominations and Elections
Section 1. AMA officers shall be nominated by a Nominating
Committee composed of the District Vice Presidents (or an Open
member from the district of the absent Vice President as designated by
the absent Vice President), and the Executive Vice President (or an Open
member as designated by the absent Executive Vice President). The
Nominating Committee shall operate annually and under procedures
defined in the Standing Rules attached to these Bylaws. The Nominating
Committee shall be responsible for nominating the candidates for each
office to be vacated at the end of the year."
From the By-Laws:
Section 3. To be eligible to discharge the duties of AMA President, a
nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA and must previously
have served as a member of the Executive Council or as Associate Vice
President or as a Contest Board member for at least one year.
To be eligible to discharge the duties of an elected AMA officer other
than President, a nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA.
To be eligible to discharge the duties of an appointed AMA officer,
including Associate Vice President, Contest Board member, and Contest
Coordinator, an appointee must be a Leader member of the AMA.
The NC Minutes Addendum:
During presentation of the Nominating Committee report at the July 12, 2003 Executive Council meeting it became apparent that there was a considerable amount of ambiguity in both the Standing Rules and the AMA By-Laws regarding nominating procedures. After a review of all the documents, and on advise of council who also reviewed all the documents, Committee Chairman, Bill Oberdieck, called for reconsideration of the decision to disqualify Mike Moss for failing to meet all of the requirements necessary to be on the ballot. A revote on the issue resulted in Mike Moss being added to the ballot for election to the office of Vice President in District VIII
09-22-2003 | 04:31 PM
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For those interested, the By-Laws and Standing Rules are in the AMA Membership Manual, available on the AMA web page.
From the Standing Rules:
"6. Candidate’s Acceptance:
a. A letter of acceptance by the candidate must be on file at AMA
Headquarters fifteen (15) prior to the meeting"
The EC is NOT the NC
From the Standing Rules:
"NOMINATING COMMITTEE
Relating to Article IX
1. Composition of Committee:
a. All eleven Vice Presidents and the Executive Vice President are to
sit on the Nominating Committee and will constitute the Committee in
total. (Legal Council may attend.)"
The NC is NOT the EC
From the By-Laws:
"ARTICLE IX
Nominations and Elections
Section 1. AMA officers shall be nominated by a Nominating
Committee composed of the District Vice Presidents (or an Open
member from the district of the absent Vice President as designated by
the absent Vice President), and the Executive Vice President (or an Open
member as designated by the absent Executive Vice President). The
Nominating Committee shall operate annually and under procedures
defined in the Standing Rules attached to these Bylaws. The Nominating
Committee shall be responsible for nominating the candidates for each
office to be vacated at the end of the year."
From the By-Laws:
Section 3. To be eligible to discharge the duties of AMA President, a
nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA and must previously
have served as a member of the Executive Council or as Associate Vice
President or as a Contest Board member for at least one year.
To be eligible to discharge the duties of an elected AMA officer other
than President, a nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA.
To be eligible to discharge the duties of an appointed AMA officer,
including Associate Vice President, Contest Board member, and Contest
Coordinator, an appointee must be a Leader member of the AMA.
The NC Minutes Addendum:
During presentation of the Nominating Committee report at the July 12, 2003 Executive Council meeting it became apparent that there was a considerable amount of ambiguity in both the Standing Rules and the AMA By-Laws regarding nominating procedures. After a review of all the documents, and on advise of council who also reviewed all the documents, Committee Chairman, Bill Oberdieck, called for reconsideration of the decision to disqualify Mike Moss for failing to meet all of the requirements necessary to be on the ballot. A revote on the issue resulted in Mike Moss being added to the ballot for election to the office of Vice President in District VIII
From the Standing Rules:
"6. Candidate’s Acceptance:
a. A letter of acceptance by the candidate must be on file at AMA
Headquarters fifteen (15) prior to the meeting"
The EC is NOT the NC
From the Standing Rules:
"NOMINATING COMMITTEE
Relating to Article IX
1. Composition of Committee:
a. All eleven Vice Presidents and the Executive Vice President are to
sit on the Nominating Committee and will constitute the Committee in
total. (Legal Council may attend.)"
The NC is NOT the EC
From the By-Laws:
"ARTICLE IX
Nominations and Elections
Section 1. AMA officers shall be nominated by a Nominating
Committee composed of the District Vice Presidents (or an Open
member from the district of the absent Vice President as designated by
the absent Vice President), and the Executive Vice President (or an Open
member as designated by the absent Executive Vice President). The
Nominating Committee shall operate annually and under procedures
defined in the Standing Rules attached to these Bylaws. The Nominating
Committee shall be responsible for nominating the candidates for each
office to be vacated at the end of the year."
From the By-Laws:
Section 3. To be eligible to discharge the duties of AMA President, a
nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA and must previously
have served as a member of the Executive Council or as Associate Vice
President or as a Contest Board member for at least one year.
To be eligible to discharge the duties of an elected AMA officer other
than President, a nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA.
To be eligible to discharge the duties of an appointed AMA officer,
including Associate Vice President, Contest Board member, and Contest
Coordinator, an appointee must be a Leader member of the AMA.
The NC Minutes Addendum:
During presentation of the Nominating Committee report at the July 12, 2003 Executive Council meeting it became apparent that there was a considerable amount of ambiguity in both the Standing Rules and the AMA By-Laws regarding nominating procedures. After a review of all the documents, and on advise of council who also reviewed all the documents, Committee Chairman, Bill Oberdieck, called for reconsideration of the decision to disqualify Mike Moss for failing to meet all of the requirements necessary to be on the ballot. A revote on the issue resulted in Mike Moss being added to the ballot for election to the office of Vice President in District VIII
09-22-2003 | 04:46 PM
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In addition the NC is charged with conducting the NC meeting as set forth in the Standing Rules by Article IX, section 6 of the By-Laws and the Chairman of the NC conducted the meeting in accordance with those rules, as he was charged with doing. The ambiguity was brought to light, not in the setting for the NC meeting being conducted by the Standing Rules, but, by the full EC. The NC Chairman then requested the new vote of the NC at the later date.
"ARTICLE IX
Section 6. Nomination procedures are Standing Rules. The procedures
shall be contained in the Executive Council approved Official
Nomination Procedures document and this document shall be published
in the AMA general membership publication at least 90 days prior to the
annual Nominating Committee meeting."
To some, procedural protocol is apparently unimportant, but is the correct way to conduct business, in my opinion. It is also my opinion that the NC did a great job with a bad situation, on all counts.
JR
"ARTICLE IX
Section 6. Nomination procedures are Standing Rules. The procedures
shall be contained in the Executive Council approved Official
Nomination Procedures document and this document shall be published
in the AMA general membership publication at least 90 days prior to the
annual Nominating Committee meeting."
To some, procedural protocol is apparently unimportant, but is the correct way to conduct business, in my opinion. It is also my opinion that the NC did a great job with a bad situation, on all counts.
JR
09-22-2003 | 08:13 PM
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To some, procedural protocol is apparently unimportant, but is the correct way to conduct business, in my opinion. It is also my opinion that the NC did a great job with a bad situation, on all counts.
JR
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Let's let it all hang out. "Politically Correct" is NOT my forte. What IS my forte is GETTING THE JOB DONE or MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT. Bombs on target or Passengers to destination-on-time was always the objective.
Was it politically correct how I finagled getting the final release of the frequencies from FCC? Not hardly as that could have been called bribery which I think may not be considered "procedural protocol", except it WORKS and that is NOT the only time I bought what I needed. Whatever gets the job done is what I go for.
When the road is blocked, if I am motivated to continue, I will find a suitable detour. Let the bureaucrats say nice words and play with each other. I'll be out getting work accomplished. I usually get to where I REALLY want to go. Like I said, if I REALLY WANT to go. I weigh each option and consider the potential net worth and risk. I do not jump off cliffs.
JR last year, you were one of a number that wrote a nomination for me to run for EVP. When I did not follow your instructions, you became very belligerent. Well JR, pass or fail, I do it MY way. That seems to be very difficult for you to handle. Your reactions are the epitome of the typical bureaucrat.
So, being on the EC is NOT going to be a party time for me. It will be hard work and will take me away from a number of things I much rather be doing. Yet I would do it for the sport of model aviation. I will use each and every method I can, if I determine that method will help build a fire under the EC to get things moving for more flying sites and less rules.
That determination will be made in D-VIII.
To some, procedural protocol is apparently unimportant, but is the correct way to conduct business, in my opinion. It is also my opinion that the NC did a great job with a bad situation, on all counts.
JR
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Let's let it all hang out. "Politically Correct" is NOT my forte. What IS my forte is GETTING THE JOB DONE or MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT. Bombs on target or Passengers to destination-on-time was always the objective.
Was it politically correct how I finagled getting the final release of the frequencies from FCC? Not hardly as that could have been called bribery which I think may not be considered "procedural protocol", except it WORKS and that is NOT the only time I bought what I needed. Whatever gets the job done is what I go for.
When the road is blocked, if I am motivated to continue, I will find a suitable detour. Let the bureaucrats say nice words and play with each other. I'll be out getting work accomplished. I usually get to where I REALLY want to go. Like I said, if I REALLY WANT to go. I weigh each option and consider the potential net worth and risk. I do not jump off cliffs.
JR last year, you were one of a number that wrote a nomination for me to run for EVP. When I did not follow your instructions, you became very belligerent. Well JR, pass or fail, I do it MY way. That seems to be very difficult for you to handle. Your reactions are the epitome of the typical bureaucrat.
So, being on the EC is NOT going to be a party time for me. It will be hard work and will take me away from a number of things I much rather be doing. Yet I would do it for the sport of model aviation. I will use each and every method I can, if I determine that method will help build a fire under the EC to get things moving for more flying sites and less rules.
That determination will be made in D-VIII.
09-22-2003 | 09:08 PM
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RE: Nominating Committee Minutes
If my memory is correct, I do not remember the name Horrace Cain anywhere connected with the acquisition of the narrow band frequencies we have the pleasure of having now... More like one Bob Ablerle does, though...
09-22-2003 | 11:51 PM
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09-23-2003 | 12:49 AM
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If my memory is correct, I do not remember the name Horrace Cain anywhere connected with the acquisition of the narrow band frequencies we have the pleasure of having now... More like one Bob Ablerle does, though...
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Refresh your memory by going back and reading the Nov. '81 EC minutes. The official minutes are lacking in detail, as in this case they SHOULD be. I have the draft minutes which are a bit more detailed. (No, copies are NOT available)
Bob Aberle was the Freq. Comm. Chairman at the time. Shortly after that meeting the freqs. were released, then another short time later, BA resigned the FC or at least as the Chairman, and in Jan. I resigned from the EC. It was time to pursue other objectives, like Git tha' _ell out of Dodge! (At that time AMA was still downtown Washington DC)
If my memory is correct, I do not remember the name Horrace Cain anywhere connected with the acquisition of the narrow band frequencies we have the pleasure of having now... More like one Bob Ablerle does, though...
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Refresh your memory by going back and reading the Nov. '81 EC minutes. The official minutes are lacking in detail, as in this case they SHOULD be. I have the draft minutes which are a bit more detailed. (No, copies are NOT available)
Bob Aberle was the Freq. Comm. Chairman at the time. Shortly after that meeting the freqs. were released, then another short time later, BA resigned the FC or at least as the Chairman, and in Jan. I resigned from the EC. It was time to pursue other objectives, like Git tha' _ell out of Dodge! (At that time AMA was still downtown Washington DC)
09-23-2003 | 07:13 AM
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Oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot that you can be credited purely by ASSOCIATION...
You WERE the Dist. VI VP at that time were't you...and then 'resigned.'
I give credit to the WORKERS: John Strong, Dick Jansson, Walt Good, Bob Aberle, C. Torrey Williams, Jack Albrecht. These were the AMA Frequency Committee. A mighty big Texas THANK YOU for their hard work...
Being there to accept the approval is a lot like the little chicks and the mother hen it that old childhood story.....(If you don't, let me know and I'll tell you...)
Are you still the 'Eternal Pessimist' you were back then??? (Mar 80 - D VI VP Report)
You WERE the Dist. VI VP at that time were't you...and then 'resigned.'
I give credit to the WORKERS: John Strong, Dick Jansson, Walt Good, Bob Aberle, C. Torrey Williams, Jack Albrecht. These were the AMA Frequency Committee. A mighty big Texas THANK YOU for their hard work...
Being there to accept the approval is a lot like the little chicks and the mother hen it that old childhood story.....(If you don't, let me know and I'll tell you...)
Are you still the 'Eternal Pessimist' you were back then??? (Mar 80 - D VI VP Report)
09-23-2003 | 09:13 AM
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So, being on the EC is NOT going to be a party time for me. It will be hard work and will take me away from a number of things I much rather be doing. Yet I would do it for the sport of model aviation. I will use each and every method I can, if I determine that method will help build a fire under the EC to get things moving for more flying sites and less rules.
So, being on the EC is NOT going to be a party time for me. It will be hard work and will take me away from a number of things I much rather be doing. Yet I would do it for the sport of model aviation. I will use each and every method I can, if I determine that method will help build a fire under the EC to get things moving for more flying sites and less rules.
Fortunately for you, DVIII members that vote will spare you the hard work and leave you free to do the things you would rather be doing. Be sure to thank them. I know I will.
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09-23-2003 | 02:24 PM
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SAP says "Oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot that you can be credited purely by ASSOCIATION...
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I had posted (#12) "Was it politically correct how I finagled getting the final release of the frequencies from FCC? Not hardly as that could have been called bribery which I think may not be considered "procedural protocol", except it WORKS and that is NOT the only time I bought what I needed. Whatever gets the job done is what I go for."
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Too Bad, SAP, that you have so much trouble with association. Listening (here reading basic 101) allows one to associate with the meaning of the topic discussion. For some it does seem to be a problem. In addition a little perception can assist one in accumulation of material and refining that material into useful and meaningful information.
The Freq. Comm. did the leg work, even to overcoming the RC radio industry which was resisting 50 freqs. and narrow band. FCC lower class bureaucrats held up the final release. I overcame that problem. Association? Not hardly!
Get a life and come out of the dark ages.
SAP says "Oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot that you can be credited purely by ASSOCIATION...
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I had posted (#12) "Was it politically correct how I finagled getting the final release of the frequencies from FCC? Not hardly as that could have been called bribery which I think may not be considered "procedural protocol", except it WORKS and that is NOT the only time I bought what I needed. Whatever gets the job done is what I go for."
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Too Bad, SAP, that you have so much trouble with association. Listening (here reading basic 101) allows one to associate with the meaning of the topic discussion. For some it does seem to be a problem. In addition a little perception can assist one in accumulation of material and refining that material into useful and meaningful information.
The Freq. Comm. did the leg work, even to overcoming the RC radio industry which was resisting 50 freqs. and narrow band. FCC lower class bureaucrats held up the final release. I overcame that problem. Association? Not hardly!
Get a life and come out of the dark ages.
09-23-2003 | 10:28 PM
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RE: Nominating Committee Minutes
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
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The Freq. Comm. did the leg work, even to overcoming the RC radio industry which was resisting 50 freqs. and narrow band. FCC lower class bureaucrats held up the final release. I overcame that problem. Association? Not hardly!
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The Freq. Comm. did the leg work, even to overcoming the RC radio industry which was resisting 50 freqs. and narrow band. FCC lower class bureaucrats held up the final release. I overcame that problem. Association? Not hardly!
You're The Man.
Hope 'Doc In' has made it well worth your while to split up the challenge vote.
H(*)
09-24-2003 | 12:00 PM
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Hossfly,
You saying you were responsible for our frequencies is like Gore when he said he invented the internet.
You were but one cog in the wheel and if you lowered yourself to !QUOT!alleged bribery!QUOT! of government officials to help and are !QUOT!proud of it!QUOT! then god help the AMA if you are elected again.
You b#$%h and moan about !QUOT!alleged abuses!QUOT! of the AMA system and other diatribes about how you have been unfairly treated and in the same breath you to talk about !QUOT!greasing a few palms!QUOT!. My opinion is that you are severely in lack of any integrity.
Please people vote for anyone but Horrace Cain!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You saying you were responsible for our frequencies is like Gore when he said he invented the internet.
You were but one cog in the wheel and if you lowered yourself to !QUOT!alleged bribery!QUOT! of government officials to help and are !QUOT!proud of it!QUOT! then god help the AMA if you are elected again.
You b#$%h and moan about !QUOT!alleged abuses!QUOT! of the AMA system and other diatribes about how you have been unfairly treated and in the same breath you to talk about !QUOT!greasing a few palms!QUOT!. My opinion is that you are severely in lack of any integrity.
Please people vote for anyone but Horrace Cain!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09-24-2003 | 08:16 PM
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You b#$%h and moan about !QUOT!alleged abuses!QUOT! of the AMA system and other diatribes about how you have been unfairly treated and in the same breath
Say what you wish, except do NOT get me confused with Branaum who Ps & Ms about the "abuses" IMO, simply because he was unable to think of what I did, before I did it.
I do not worry about being "mistreated". I make my own bed and sleep on the rocks when they appear. As I have stated before, I go around the barriers in my road to do that which WORKS. Of course I do get my tail plucked from time to time, but at least I have the courage or stubbornness -- if you will -- to get up off my butt and come back again.
No one can appreciate victory until he understands defeat. BTDT!
My sympathies to you that will never know either, kinda' like Teddy R stated.
I would be interested in learning of how many associations and or clubs you have served as an officer, how many AMA positions you have served on, how many flying facilities you have secured, and how much instruction you provide. Inform me.
09-25-2003 | 12:19 AM
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Jim
Wow. Right on the mark. He does remind one of Adlai.
Jim, I salute you for having more sense than I do. You didn't let him get you all the way into the pig pen with him, as I did.
I just got tired of being dragged down in the pig pen with him. Jim, I will share with you my opinion of Horrace. There is absolutely no way to get the feeling of filth off when you have engaged his ... ... hmmmm.... opinions. I have never seen anyone try so hard to pat themselves on the back with one hand and show such lack of integrity at the same time. He seems to think everyone looks for the loop-holes the same way he does. I guess if they did, the EC might actually be as lacking in integrity as he claims. It must be terrible to believe your fellow men are as lacking in integrity as you are.
He certainly deserves the Adlai tag of perpetual loser.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
JR
Wow. Right on the mark. He does remind one of Adlai.
Jim, I salute you for having more sense than I do. You didn't let him get you all the way into the pig pen with him, as I did.
I just got tired of being dragged down in the pig pen with him. Jim, I will share with you my opinion of Horrace. There is absolutely no way to get the feeling of filth off when you have engaged his ... ... hmmmm.... opinions. I have never seen anyone try so hard to pat themselves on the back with one hand and show such lack of integrity at the same time. He seems to think everyone looks for the loop-holes the same way he does. I guess if they did, the EC might actually be as lacking in integrity as he claims. It must be terrible to believe your fellow men are as lacking in integrity as you are.
He certainly deserves the Adlai tag of perpetual loser.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
JR
09-25-2003 | 09:16 AM
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RE: Nominating Committee Minutes
[/quote] I would be interested in learning of how many associations and or clubs you have served as an officer, how many AMA positions you have served on, how many flying facilities you have secured, and how much instruction you provide. Inform me.
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I thought about answering this question but as I was writing a response I realized that I was wasting my time. Hoss will never understand, never admit fault, never admit he could be wrong, will continue to believe that there is a conspiracy against him, and will spend the rest of his life as one of the angry old men I am trying so hard not to become.
Elections are not about what you have done, but what you can and will do in the future. My experience and background is irrelevant as I am not running for office. All that matters is that I am an AMA member, period.
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I thought about answering this question but as I was writing a response I realized that I was wasting my time. Hoss will never understand, never admit fault, never admit he could be wrong, will continue to believe that there is a conspiracy against him, and will spend the rest of his life as one of the angry old men I am trying so hard not to become.
Elections are not about what you have done, but what you can and will do in the future. My experience and background is irrelevant as I am not running for office. All that matters is that I am an AMA member, period.
