Silent-AV8R

I am still fascinated how anyone can possibly tie the AMA to the fact that Hobbico is now going to distribute Thunder Tiger and Ace products.

Here's a new thread. Sun rising in east tomorrow. Is the AMA to blame???

dbcisco

For all the "chinese imports are ruining the USA" I hear from both members and non-members, I am supprised they have the biggest importers of Chinese products on the AMA marketing team and nobody complains.
Maybe they are planning on importing members from China.

SPLIT S

Games? Fair enough. Have fun and best of luck. Don't see how a response to your post would be considered a game. Back to your regularly scheduled forum.

KidEpoxy

Silent
I believe the OP was drawing attention to the bigger picture of AMA's involvement (or lack of) in protecting the small/classic companies of the industry.

We heard folks say social justice in that regard IS part of AMAs job
(when talking about subsidizing magazine ad rates)
so why sit back and watch them disappear when talking about stuff other than ad rates

K-Bob

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This subject was beaten to death and then some a few years ago in this forum. If you read the threads (better grab a drink and some smokes) you'll see that there are axes to be ground and conspiracies galore. We had There were stories of AMA secret operatives and plants in this forum. People were threatened with legal action. The only thing it lacked to be a TeeVee miniseries was $ex.

Anyway, it is my opinion that this thread was started for no other reason than to dig up bones. It could have been started just as easily if Hoss would have just brought the Hobbico/AMA marketing thing up outright without the smokscreen of the TT issue.

As was said earlier, Hobbico did not "take over"TT. They are merely going to be their U.S. distributor. Win-Win. Free enterprise, the American way and all that.

Now let's get back to the bags of money delivered in dark alleys in the middle of the Muncie night. ............ right after this message from our sponsors.........

KidEpoxy

wait,
I thought The American Way was to outsource it to china and india to save money

dbcisco

I don't see any conspiracy. Hobbico is there for business reasons, nothing more. There is no reason that the AMA could get USA manufacturers and distributors of American products on the team as well.
To have a company like Hobbico work with you is one thing, to absolutely refuse to let other companies is another.
What are the consequences to the AMA if they told current marketing team to go away? Would they stop advertising in MA? That is $1M worth of "bags of money delivered in dark alleys in the middle of the Muncie night".

K-Bob

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No that is the modern, avoid the socialist and their war on the producers of wealth way.

K-Bob

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I think they were going to put "AMA PPP legal" labels on the boxes too. Free advertisement and all you know. High hopes at the time. That was then , this is now. PPP flopped. The AMA tried their best gave enticing the parkies a shot with their own mag and half price dues but alas, they are not the joining type after all. Some will lament the lack of the rightto vote but the percentage of AMA open members voting is a miserable 10% or less and the parkie group IMHO would be lucky to turn out 1%.

Re: Protecting the "little guy vendor". I don't think the AMAwould refuse pro bono advice from themom and popvendors skilled and trained marketing people. Ooops. That the "big guys" care enough about the hobby to lend the AMA some of their fire power is great.

dbcisco

Thanks K-bob. I forgot about that. Is "Buy only from AMA approved vendors" going to be next?

804

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Oh, you remember.
In a hypothetical a few days ago, you brought up something about
turning in a student smoker at your school to save your job.

Okay for you,
but not a hobby "giant" like Hobbico?
You're a hypocrite.

KidEpoxy

what?
Somebody caught Hobbico smokin ?
What are you people talking about

dbcisco

Do you do this just to attack me or just to constantly take threads off-topic?
Go find Joebob and the others and ruin someone else's thread.

Ted Boz

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Welcome to the ".... you do this just to attack me"... club 804!

dbcisco

Another off topic attack.
Trying to get this thread closed too?

The_Mad_Hatter_632

TIME OUT !!!!!!!!

TAKING THREADS OFF TOPICS ? REALLY !  WHO ON EARTH WOULD DO SUCH A THING ! _________ add name here .......

this is about business and unless the AMA had money tied up and into the business it had nothing to do with them .

lets get down to the real thing .......... if you want a small company to survive then it's that small company that you not the AMA should support ,
do you shop at walmart all the time like those prices guess what opps, you just put the mom and pop store out of business .
still has nothing to do with the AMA ..........
business is business like it or not it comes down to were you spend your money...............

KidEpoxy

Hatter,
wondering out loud here, not saying I read this in your posts,
but just want to get you perspective...

Do you feel it is AMA job to prop up companies in the aeromodeling industry,
be that with gobs of donated AMA cash to them,
perhaps AMA praying for them each night,
or maybe AMA subsidizing their advertising?

Should AMA be shorting our bottom line
to prop up those companies bottom lines?
Even the intercontinental hobby conglomerates of corporate profit... do we need to subsidize them too at our own expense?

Ted Boz

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I'm sure you're quite capable of doing that all by yourself!
Nite all......

Desertlakesflying

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Maybe if the government wasn't so overbearing on everyone, i.e. making tax rates, and regulations outrageous, the little guy would be less willing to sell out and more able to compete. These huge conglomerations you always hear loathed by politicians from the left are created by the policies of those same politicians on the left who loath them, and wish to tax them more.

How can Joe's Hobbies compete with Hobbico, when the government demands massive taxes and regulations on all in the name of getting the evil, rich big corporation like Hobbico real good, without regard to what that is actually doing to Joe's Hobbies.

That's the problem with social engineering and social justice, it always ends up screwing the guy it's supposed to help, but that is really the point isn't it?

Everyone is in such a hurry to get those evil rich people that they ignore the not so evil small business guy that ends up getting the shaft instead.

No wonder unemployment is so high, and the economy is in the tank.

The_Mad_Hatter_632

kid ...... me noooooo, never would i make such a statement , ok ,ok i shouldn't have to spell it out . muwhahahaha !

you know when it comes down to business only the strong survive, now how did those, the companies become strong, well thats from your dollar.
my question and remember i'm not in the AMA so this is from a business point of view but why should the AMA have to do anything to help any company, wouldn't that be your money ?
if you were supporting the company and getting your friends to support the company (with some people that may only be 1 other person) would that company still be in business today, was it there lack of advertising that did them in , with business there are so many avenues you can not really blame the AMA or any other magazine, and finally sometimes the business stays small by choice then realize to late the mistake they've made still not the AMA's fault .

dbcisco

If the hobby companies really needed us they would be writing big checks for a nice tax deduction to keep the AMA alive and well. Of course if the AMA loses enough members it might start to hurt their botom line. People flying nothing but electric parkflyers would cut into big ticket IC plane sales.

Hossfly

AV8R, of course you are fascinated. Today I had a great time for an hour playing with a soon-to-be 4 years old grand-daughter. We made up our own games and her laughter certainly fascinated me. Watching her, loving her, the look in her eyes as we played was a fascination that only a grand-parent could understand.

Therefore your fascination with reality does not surprise me as I know you do not understand reality in a situation where certain people control a faction of some entity that would appear to be separated from the main business, yet in reality such control offers considerable personal gain. Such gain is not limited to just one endeavor, yet strong control, or even partial interest of all endeavors can redirect an entity to provide strong advantages to those that know and understand reality of the business world. Just simply a type of leverage used to enhance the inner workings of an entity. Fascinating: BTDT.

The concept of AMA allowing specific commercial interests to be soley in control of a group (committee) that directs specific actions within AMA itself, while those commercial interests are deleting competition within the business realm resulting in significant additional expenses to the AMA membership desiring the merchandise, is a concept that I find somewhat fascinating. One other thing that fascinates me is that within this sport-hobby of aeromodeling where there are so many knowledgeable individuals concerning the technology, they have NO CLUE that while they pick nits, the elephants are about to trample them.

Fascination covers a broad spectrum (NO, not a JR radio [sm=lol.gif] ) AV8R. Probably too broad for a number of species above to comprehend. It will be revealed to you in the not too distant future.

dbcisco

I am not sure what you are getting at Hoss. My "innocent until proven guilty" take would be that the AMA is being "helped" by a company that is "hurting" small USA companies. My question is whether such an association is appropriate for an organization that represent 120K members. In PR, appearances go a long way. It could be misconstrued that the majority of AMA members support a large company that is eliminating competition of the small USA businesses in order to raise prices and make even more money?
That alone should make the AMA leadership consider some changes or additions to the "marketing team".

dbcisco

Yes, I am agreeing with you. I just don't think it is a thing for the AMA to support by association.
It is legal to join the communist party in the USA or become a prostitute in Nevada. Neither of which are highly esteemed things by the average American. What if the AMA got the communist party on a committee? or opened up a Nevada brothel to help fund us (definitely non-related revenue ). Would that be OK for the AMA to do as long as it helps us?

This is reductio ad absurdinam. Take a concept to its "logical" extreme to prove the concept is "illogical". I am not suggesting that the AMA support communism or prostitution. Just that it "could" be done, and by "some" of the arguement supporting Hobbico's interaction with the AMA, "could" be justified. I just don't think it "should" be done.

Luchnia

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DB, I am sure there are some people pumping a lot more than the 58$ membership fee into the AMA. Why I bring this up is if enough of those guys get disturbed by some of these "actions" the AMA could get involved with, that could be detrimental to AMA big time. After all, what would the AMA be without money. It would just be a stack of papers on someone's desk somewhere or a concept that has run its time and gathering dust.

I know several guys that have a reasonable amount of coin and they are fairly diehard AMAers. However, some of them can be influenced by a voice crying in the wilderness. What if those guys started pulling out their "extra" funding they send to AMA and only do membership fees so they can fly?

The only reason many of them are as involved as they are is because they have not taken the time to understand what AMA is. They think AMA IS the RC hobby and IS the club. It is like the AMA created those things. Most just don't know otherwise much less understanding that clubs are chartered by AMA.

At present I am very good with AMA and believe in the basic concept, but I will research and watch carefully at what they continue to do. If they do something that is like our illustrious government then I would be seeking other alternatives and spend my money elsewhere. So that would be minus dollars from one member times however many members were wise enough to do likewise.

All of this boils down to being well informed. This forum won't cover that, but it can provoke thought in us and get us thinking along those lines. We MUST be informed and hold orgs accountable for their actions.