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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
I guess if I eat in front of BradPaul at one point in his life, while he talks about stuff he wants me to change for him,
then BP & I would be ''lunch buddies''
... in florida at least
once DVP Rice, being the kind of guy that goes the extra distance,
performed a AMA DVP duty for me... even while he was eating lunch
I never said we were LunchBuddies, and as far as I know DVP Rice never said we were Lunch Buddies,
seems only BP (and possibly the State of florida) have made that from the hip guess and speak for DVP Rice.
I would try pasting in rcu-member quotes from other boards in some kind of Gatcha stunt,
but it was my understanding we dont paste in gotacha rcu-member quotes from other boards .
Don't know how it works out there in Texas, but here in Florida we usually go to lunch with our friends.
then BP & I would be ''lunch buddies''
... in florida at least
once DVP Rice, being the kind of guy that goes the extra distance,
performed a AMA DVP duty for me... even while he was eating lunch
I never said we were LunchBuddies, and as far as I know DVP Rice never said we were Lunch Buddies,
seems only BP (and possibly the State of florida
) have made that from the hip guess and speak for DVP Rice.I would try pasting in rcu-member quotes from other boards in some kind of Gatcha stunt,
but it was my understanding we dont paste in gotacha rcu-member quotes from other boards .
In post #24 you said that there was some sort of "conspiracy" keeping you from being a "Leader Member" and running for office:
Oddly, a few Leader members on the web boards have suggested I run for an AMA seat,
but yet when I ask those same Leaders to endorse me to Leader so I CAN run,
well, they suddenly become part of the system preventing me from running for a seat they said I should run for: they wont endorse my LM app
You no Leadee, you no electee
but yet when I ask those same Leaders to endorse me to Leader so I CAN run,
well, they suddenly become part of the system preventing me from running for a seat they said I should run for: they wont endorse my LM app
You no Leadee, you no electee
So I guess the problem is either:
1.) Cant find three open members to sign the application.
2.) You buddy Jim Rice won't sign it as DVP.
3.) Need to raise the $10.00 application fee.
or
4.) There is no problen you just want everybody to believe in the "conspiracy theory".
Brad
02-15-2011, 09:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: Silent-AV8R
//snip//
From the LM application:
In either case the DVP or an AVP must approve the application. (Bold added to quote) I see no reference to ''lunch buddies'' or a requirement for your references to be buddies with the DVP or AVP.
For those that would like to review the actual application, here's the link: http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/907.pdf
//snip//
From the LM application:
REFERENCES
These three (3) references must be properly filled in and signed by three (3) current AMA Leader Members. (If Leader Members are unavailable, three (3) Open Members and an endorsement by a District Vice President or Associate Vice President may be
substituted.)
These three (3) references must be properly filled in and signed by three (3) current AMA Leader Members. (If Leader Members are unavailable, three (3) Open Members and an endorsement by a District Vice President or Associate Vice President may be
substituted.)
For those that would like to review the actual application, here's the link: http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/907.pdf
May I respectfully suggest you review that which you presented? You misread the requirements.
>>>>>
b]REFERENCES[/b]
These three (3) references must be properly filled in and signed by three (3) current AMA Leader Members.
INJECTION: Notice the above requirement DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY DVP INPUT if 3 LEADER MEMBERS sign the application.
Now here below is an exception when three (3) Leader members are not available. The below requirement is in parenthesis and brings in the AVP or DVP only when regular Open members are signing.
(If Leader Members are unavailable, three (3) Open Members and an endorsement by a District Vice President or Associate Vice President may be substituted.)
02-15-2011, 10:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: Arbo
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At least you are honest about what you are doing. I am glad to see that sort of honesty.
In general in life, when one makes claims, they are just the opinion of one person, and can not be taken as real or factual without that person backing up their claims. Which is what we see on this sub forum on RCU quite often.
As someone mentioned previously in the thread, a lot of 'code' talk and nothing direct or backed up here. Not surprising when there really is nothing to back up their claims.
ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
You're darn right I'll continue my ''slander.''
You're darn right I'll continue my ''slander.''
At least you are honest about what you are doing. I am glad to see that sort of honesty.
In general in life, when one makes claims, they are just the opinion of one person, and can not be taken as real or factual without that person backing up their claims. Which is what we see on this sub forum on RCU quite often.
As someone mentioned previously in the thread, a lot of 'code' talk and nothing direct or backed up here. Not surprising when there really is nothing to back up their claims.
I have presented what the rules are, if you have issue with them, then state which ones and why. If you think someone has moderated above and beyond them, give the proof of such. Because no matter who is in the position of moderator, the rules must be enforced, or they will not be a moderator, doesn't matter if it's me or Horrace, either you do the job asked of you, or you do not have that 'job'. So lets focus on what in those rules is so bad or horrible that people just can't stand them.
AV8R - I was frustrated with the one moderator at the time, who let personal attacks sit. So I defended myself, as I felt needed, against unwarranted personal attacks. It was at a point in time where there was a lot of out of control stuff going on, and I think I got swept up in it. Either way, I talked to Dave and he gave me a shot, as I have said before, everything we do is an open record that can be viewed by him and others above us. If we abused the position, we would no longer hold the position.
Now in a post above you said:
"Now those that feel the need may be free to continue on with their slander, I have said what needed to be said and am out of here."
"....Not surprising when there really is nothing to back up their claims."
"....Not surprising when there really is nothing to back up their claims."
02-15-2011, 10:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: Arbo
At least you are honest about what you are doing. I am glad to see that sort of honesty.
In general in life, when one makes claims, they are just the opinion of one person, and can not be taken as real or factual without that person backing up their
claims. Which is what we see on this sub forum on RCU quite often.
As someone mentioned previously in the thread, a lot of 'code' talk and nothing direct or backed up here. Not surprising when there really is nothing to back up
their claims.
I have presented what the rules are, if you have issue with them, then state which ones and why. If you think someone has moderated above and beyond them, give the
proof of such. Because no matter who is in the position of moderator, the rules must be enforced, or they will not be a moderator, doesn't matter if it's me or Horrace, either
you do the job asked of you, or you do not have that 'job'. So lets focus on what in those rules is so bad or horrible that people just can't stand them.
It should be noted by those that are non-AMA members, or are AMA members that have not been on those forums, that most of the people making
false claims do not log into the AMA forum, or if they do, just about never contribute to civil discussion. This is no different than on another RC forum where people
complain about the AMA's forum, but either do not log on or participate. Some of them the same folks that complain here.
AV8R - I was frustrated with the one moderator at the time, who let personal attacks sit. So I defended myself, as I felt needed, against unwarranted personal attacks. It was
at a point in time where there was a lot of out of control stuff going on, and I think I got swept up in it. Either way, I talked to Dave and he gave me a shot, as I have said before,
everything we do is an open record that can be viewed by him and others above us. If we abused the position, we would no longer hold the position.
ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
You're darn right I'll continue my ''slander.''
You're darn right I'll continue my ''slander.''
In general in life, when one makes claims, they are just the opinion of one person, and can not be taken as real or factual without that person backing up their
claims. Which is what we see on this sub forum on RCU quite often.
As someone mentioned previously in the thread, a lot of 'code' talk and nothing direct or backed up here. Not surprising when there really is nothing to back up
their claims.
I have presented what the rules are, if you have issue with them, then state which ones and why. If you think someone has moderated above and beyond them, give the
proof of such. Because no matter who is in the position of moderator, the rules must be enforced, or they will not be a moderator, doesn't matter if it's me or Horrace, either
you do the job asked of you, or you do not have that 'job'. So lets focus on what in those rules is so bad or horrible that people just can't stand them.
It should be noted by those that are non-AMA members, or are AMA members that have not been on those forums, that most of the people making
false claims do not log into the AMA forum, or if they do, just about never contribute to civil discussion. This is no different than on another RC forum where people
complain about the AMA's forum, but either do not log on or participate. Some of them the same folks that complain here.
AV8R - I was frustrated with the one moderator at the time, who let personal attacks sit. So I defended myself, as I felt needed, against unwarranted personal attacks. It was
at a point in time where there was a lot of out of control stuff going on, and I think I got swept up in it. Either way, I talked to Dave and he gave me a shot, as I have said before,
everything we do is an open record that can be viewed by him and others above us. If we abused the position, we would no longer hold the position.
You write of a "code" and "proof" and I'd like to point out that when I've seen threads disappear here, out of respect for both the person doing the attacking and the person receiving the attack I'd never talk post or write about it after the fact - because doing so inflames the original problem that in fairness needed to be removed.
Bottom line, public forums with potential emotional volatility probably benefit from policies limiting moderator participation. Perhaps the AMA forum should consider this type of policy.
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Consider that just today on the AMA forum:
phlpdfrnk called some a brown nose
and
bradpaul called someone a weasel
(neither in a kind or kidding way)
Seems the statements about the rules being upheld unilaterally by mods there are far from the truth.
More SSDD
phlpdfrnk called some a brown nose
and
bradpaul called someone a weasel
(neither in a kind or kidding way)
Seems the statements about the rules being upheld unilaterally by mods there are far from the truth.
More SSDD
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ORIGINAL: everman
(neither in a kind or kidding way)
(neither in a kind or kidding way)
Just to set the record straight;
It was Brad who used the brown nose term and the weasel was a well known poster. In the context of the thread if the post was offensive to you just log on and report it.
Regards
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No, DBCisco was a well known poster,
a well know poster that you guys chose a derogatory animal name to refer to him.
(and its not the well established proper type of animal in his avatar pic)
Shall I start referring to MrP as an animal of my choosing, and MrP will have no problems with that because MrP is well know too?
a well know poster that you guys chose a derogatory animal name to refer to him.
(and its not the well established proper type of animal in his avatar pic)
Shall I start referring to MrP as an animal of my choosing, and MrP will have no problems with that because MrP is well know too?
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Did BP call someone a 'brown nose', or did he say " brown nos* " ?
Cause as long as this is a thread that brought up Hoss getting the 1st ban,
lets not lose grip on just what got Hoss that fisrt ban: typing too many X's in row was considered Masking something he shouldnt say. So, did BP just Mask his brown nose slur/insult/attack with an asterisk, or was it just some typo that put the asterick there (heh, lord knows I do enough typos to find that a reasonable theory)
Cause as long as this is a thread that brought up Hoss getting the 1st ban,
lets not lose grip on just what got Hoss that fisrt ban: typing too many X's in row was considered Masking something he shouldnt say. So, did BP just Mask his brown nose slur/insult/attack with an asterisk, or was it just some typo that put the asterick there (heh, lord knows I do enough typos to find that a reasonable theory)
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No, DBCisco was a well known poster,
a well know poster that you guys chose a derogatory animal name to refer to him.
(and its not the well established proper type of animal in his avatar pic)
Shall I start referring to MrP as an animal of my choosing, and MrP will have no problems with that because MrP is well know too?
No, DBCisco was a well known poster,
a well know poster that you guys chose a derogatory animal name to refer to him.
(and its not the well established proper type of animal in his avatar pic)
Shall I start referring to MrP as an animal of my choosing, and MrP will have no problems with that because MrP is well know too?
Regards
02-15-2011, 12:17 PM
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Ok guys, time for me to step in. I know there are many of you here that just don't like each other. I get that, and I understand that. But.......... (don't you just hate that word "but"????). Let's stay civil here in these forums. Let's stop the name calling with each other. For members like DBCisco and Kid Epoxy I will allow members to refer to them as an animal type simply because they have chosen to use animals as their avatars here on RCU, but let's not start calling other members by animal names if they haven't started that ball rolling by using an animal in their avatar.
You guys don't have to like each other here in our forums, but you WILL respect each other. I've let this slide a bit as of late as for the most part everybody has behaved themselves in here. But over the last few days I've had to remove posts that are getting out of line with the name calling, taunting, or confrontational posts. So maybe it's time for me to start policing more strictly here. Let's stay civil as we participate in this forum or I'll start putting people in a time out. Sorry to have to be so harsh, but sometimes that's the only way I can get through to some of the members here.
Ken
You guys don't have to like each other here in our forums, but you WILL respect each other. I've let this slide a bit as of late as for the most part everybody has behaved themselves in here. But over the last few days I've had to remove posts that are getting out of line with the name calling, taunting, or confrontational posts. So maybe it's time for me to start policing more strictly here. Let's stay civil as we participate in this forum or I'll start putting people in a time out. Sorry to have to be so harsh, but sometimes that's the only way I can get through to some of the members here.
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly
Your excuses er, uh, ''reasons'' remind me of a time when a number of war criminals tried to defend themselves with ''I was following orders.'' They got hung anyway.
Your excuses er, uh, ''reasons'' remind me of a time when a number of war criminals tried to defend themselves with ''I was following orders.'' They got hung anyway.
But I don't think this is about the rules. For if it was we would already heard about which ones you disliked and why. And we have not seen any such thing yet, have we?
ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
Bottom line, public forums with potential emotional volatility probably benefit from policies limiting moderator participation. Perhaps the AMA forum should consider this type of policy.
Bottom line, public forums with potential emotional volatility probably benefit from policies limiting moderator participation. Perhaps the AMA forum should consider this type of policy.
complain about that site show up and post and participate? I highly doubt it.
ORIGINAL: everman
Consider that just today on the AMA forum:
Consider that just today on the AMA forum:
ORIGINAL: RCKen
For members like DBCisco and Kid Epoxy I will allow members to refer to them as an animal type simply because they have chosen to use animals as their avatars here on RCU, but let's not start calling other members by animal names if they haven't started that ball rolling by using an animal in their avatar.
For members like DBCisco and Kid Epoxy I will allow members to refer to them as an animal type simply because they have chosen to use animals as their avatars here on RCU, but let's not start calling other members by animal names if they haven't started that ball rolling by using an animal in their avatar.
02-15-2011, 12:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: Arbo
So it's ok for KE to use 'horse' or some similar thing for Frank since a horse is in his avatar?
ORIGINAL: RCKen
For members like DBCisco and Kid Epoxy I will allow members to refer to them as an animal type simply because they have chosen to use animals as their avatars here on RCU, but let's not start calling other members by animal names if they haven't started that ball rolling by using an animal in their avatar.
For members like DBCisco and Kid Epoxy I will allow members to refer to them as an animal type simply because they have chosen to use animals as their avatars here on RCU, but let's not start calling other members by animal names if they haven't started that ball rolling by using an animal in their avatar.
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Let's see if we can ferret out some truth, gopher [sp] broke and stop horsing around. Hopefully Ken won't snake me by flagging this post.
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ORIGINAL: Arbo
In your opinion. And I know that your suggestion is one that would, if implemented, be loved by a few folks. But the reality is, if that is how things worked, would you and the others that
complain about that site show up and post and participate? I highly doubt it.
ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
Bottom line, public forums with potential emotional volatility probably benefit from policies limiting moderator participation. Perhaps the AMA forum should consider this type of policy.
Bottom line, public forums with potential emotional volatility probably benefit from policies limiting moderator participation. Perhaps the AMA forum should consider this type of policy.
complain about that site show up and post and participate? I highly doubt it.
I clearly stated the issues I have with the AMA forum. If the AMA forum was moderated and run as well as this RCU AMA forum why wouldn't I participate over there? Of course I would, it would be a pleasure to participate there.
Unfortunately at this point I don't respect the AMA forum enough to even consider posting there.
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ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
I clearly stated the issues I have with the AMA forum.
I clearly stated the issues I have with the AMA forum.
of that forum.
So do you have examples, or is it really just the rules you do not like, if so which ones?
Or is it just that the rules as written, are enforced, unlike some other places?
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I don't know what animal you may chose but go right ahead Bucky.
You still slurring me with Bucky?
Grow a new slur there MountedHorse
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ORIGINAL: Arbo
Yes, you have complained about the moderation, but have not provided any example of how any given moderator is acting outside of the rules
of that forum.
So do you have examples, or is it really just the rules you do not like, if so which ones?
Or is it just that the rules as written, are enforced, unlike some other places?
ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
I clearly stated the issues I have with the AMA forum.
I clearly stated the issues I have with the AMA forum.
of that forum.
So do you have examples, or is it really just the rules you do not like, if so which ones?
Or is it just that the rules as written, are enforced, unlike some other places?
I've seen it on the AMA forum and as I said before it disgusted me.
Any other questions Arbo?
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In order to define bad moderation , we as a group would have to define...... good moderation.
What is good moderation of an issue placed in the forums?
A moderator's action's are only as good as his or her judgment.
What if the person's judgement doing the moderating is poor, and lacks objectivity?
Its not like a poster has the power to correct the poor judgement of a moderator.
What if any checks and balances does RCU have to correct the poor judgment of a moderator
and protect the user's viewpoint from being oppressed?
I raise these questions because I see lots of rules for labor, but few for management.
The constitution of our country was created to protect its citizens FROM its government.
What constitution does RCU have to protect its citizens from ITS government?
Although not a country does RCU have an HR dept, seperate from its moderators to make a judgement call?
What is good moderation of an issue placed in the forums?
A moderator's action's are only as good as his or her judgment.
What if the person's judgement doing the moderating is poor, and lacks objectivity?
Its not like a poster has the power to correct the poor judgement of a moderator.
What if any checks and balances does RCU have to correct the poor judgment of a moderator
and protect the user's viewpoint from being oppressed?
I raise these questions because I see lots of rules for labor, but few for management.
The constitution of our country was created to protect its citizens FROM its government.
What constitution does RCU have to protect its citizens from ITS government?
Although not a country does RCU have an HR dept, seperate from its moderators to make a judgement call?
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ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
I've given you an example. A moderator disrespectful of a poster - a moderator putting down a poster.
I've given you an example. A moderator disrespectful of a poster - a moderator putting down a poster.
For if it exists, I'd like to know why it wasn't reported, and take care of any such issue.
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Yes, I've read a similar line you typed before. Do you have some sort of link to such a thing, or is it a just take your word for it type thing?
For if it exists, I'd like to know why it wasn't reported, and take care of any such issue.
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I've given you an example. A moderator disrespectful of a poster - a moderator putting down a poster.
I've given you an example. A moderator disrespectful of a poster - a moderator putting down a poster.
For if it exists, I'd like to know why it wasn't reported, and take care of any such issue.
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Bucky?
You still slurring me with Bucky?
Grow a new slur there MountedHorse
I don't know what animal you may chose but go right ahead Bucky.
You still slurring me with Bucky?
Grow a new slur there MountedHorse
About that line in your signature where you quote me, 804.
Oh, I stand behind that statement, in the context in which I made it.
But since you provide no such context, and everyone knows you disagree with it,
well, isn't that a slur?
I consider it such.
And, since it appears with every one of your posts,
you could be considered the king of all slur-ers. Slurists. Slurring persons.
Now, I don't care if you continue with the slurring.
But, it seems a bit disingenuous you complaining about slurs and all.
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ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
Are you suggesting nothing has ever been deleted from that forum?
Are you suggesting nothing has ever been deleted from that forum?
If so, please provide actual examples so we can take action.
If not, please clarify for me what the issue is.
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I am still on the topic of you saying 'moderator disrespectful of a poster', so now I'm confused. Is that the issue or is it something else?
If so, please provide actual examples so we can take action.
If not, please clarify for me what the issue is.
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Are you suggesting nothing has ever been deleted from that forum?
Are you suggesting nothing has ever been deleted from that forum?
If so, please provide actual examples so we can take action.
If not, please clarify for me what the issue is.
It's amusing having you imply what I did or did not read on the AMA forum.
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Arbo, if something has been deleted the evidence is gone.
Arbo, if something has been deleted the evidence is gone.
On the other hand, if there was a rule violation (as anyone disrespecting another user would be, be it a user, moderator or admin), and it is gone, then it is
probably safe to say someone properly moderated that post, eh?
ORIGINAL: WestCoastFlyer
It's amusing having you imply what I did or did not read on the AMA forum.
It's amusing having you imply what I did or did not read on the AMA forum.
answer, which is why I was asking. Generally though, if someone see's something they find so offensive that they leave a site, it usually is something they can remember and
thus tell others about what was said and who said it to whom.