What percentage of total revenue are salaries and benefits and what percentage would you find acceptable?

Bill, I thought a well informed individual like you would simply demonstrate those figures. Here is some information. You figure it out.


THE ACADEMY OF MODEL AERONAUTICS, INC.
SCHEDULES OF OPERATING EXPENSES
YEARS ENDED DECEMBER 31, 2010 AND 2009
2010 2009Salaries including contract services .....$ 2,397,703 ...$ 2,386,315
Fringe benefits and payroll taxes ...................................647,772........ 626,745
Membership processing including supplies .... 273,170....... 335,927
Utilities ................... .................................................. .,, 86,553 .........89,709
Marketing ........................................ 365,296 ... 421,814
Office expense ................................... 70,200 ... 80,887
Postage and freight ............................. 38,143 ... 23,482
Telephone ......................................... 42,567... 38,267
Bank charges and fees .....................220,254 ... .227,239
Staff travel ....................................... ..84,493 .... 86,455
Equipment maintenance .......................127,523.....101,866
Professional fees - corporate ................186,797 .... 78,915
Professional fees - membership ............ 48,036 ... 200,026
Insurance - general .............................154,166 .... 79,765
Insurance - membership ......................971,280....1,108,728
Insurance - administrative .....................24,740 ......20,131
FAI programs ......................................144,840 .. . 123,971
NAA divisional fees ........................... 48,432 ... 45,262
Maintenance and grounds 226,156 .....264,781
Miscellaneous ................................... 114,619 ...106,311
Interest expense ................................15,795......26,387

$ 6,288,535 $ 6,472,983
See independent auditors' report on supplementary information.
UNRESTRICTED NET ASSETS
REVENUE '10 and '09
Membership $ 6,855,977 $ 6,979,975
Club charter fees 247,620 247,390
Event sanctions and insurance 51,680 52,824
Supply, souvenir and merchandising sales 112,571 193,308
Park Pilot magazine 91,498 43,336
Model Aviation advertising 820,339 914,671
Model Aviation subscriptions 51,482 54,411
8,231,167 8,485,915
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Those numbers are pretty reasonable, IMHO.

Of course they are, as the AMA is a well managed organization............. but to the regular gang here????????

Brad

Thanks. I knew perfectly well where the numbers were and how to access them. I was asking Toolman if he knew what the numbers were and what he would find acceptable since he seems upset about the personnel costs.

What ever happened to "for the hobby" or just for your costs.
Another org that I guarantee someday will be under investigation, just like almost all of the other big ones at 1 time or another

Its always easy to spend other peoples money. If ya don't believe me, ck out your buddy pelosi

If you wish to volunteer full-time + travel + lots of evenings and weekends, that would make a great platform for you to run for office. Since you are defining this to be a big org, their numbers look even better - the rest of the big orgs spend far more money.

Sometimes free speech is overpriced...

Your idea of how the world works is certainly an odd one. Do you suppose that the people at AOPA work for free? Or any other organization? What about you? Do you work for free? The Executive council and other volunteers all work for free, for the love of the hobby. They do it despite having to take crap off people who do nothing except complain about what the people who are volunteering are doing. Makes it all the more sweet to have to take $#!t off of people.

But I know of no organization where the professional staff is unpaid.

BTW, I do not know Pelosi and do not live anywhere near her district. Therefore I have never voted for her nor ever even been in the position to do so. I live in the 49th Congressional District. My Representative is John Campbell, a Republican, whom I voted for. Pelsosi's district is the Bay area, nearly 450 miles north of me. Your comment is yet another example of how you form your opinions independent of any actual facts. It really is wearisome.

Apparently there are some people who also are unaware of how the AMA is organized. There is the volunteer side, the Executive Council, who are elected by the membership, and then there is the paid professional staff side. They are the ones who execute the directives and implement the programs and policies that the volunteer EC decides on. Most every non-profit I am aware of is organized along similar lines.

Whatever, you seem to be the local know it all here, so you have your opinion of what is to much an I have mine. By the way I'm a tea party person an I don't believe in anything big other than our military. You do know that Kalif. is full of R.I.N.O.'s also.










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Silent, I guess he meant President Ronald Regan........

Brad

Gentlemen,
 I suggest we get off of these little attacks back and forth against each other, otherwise I'll start putting everybody involved in the corner for a little time out.

Ken

OK Ken

Incredible.first, dave has done a great job and let him know that while attending top gun last weekend.second,god or bad mark smith is promoted to "interim' by excutive by laws..if you dont like him then you can vote for someone else when the elections are held.meanwhile learn to mind your manners and be civil.

First, it was NOT God as I recall, however IMO he retains the right to be so.

Second, I have not confirmed that Mark Smith is "bad". Have you? OTOH, Mr. Smith and I have very opposing views as to how AMA business should be conducted, and to whom various committee structure should be trusted with. We simply disagree concerning our national organization's management.

How about that? You're finally correct about something. I do not like Mr. Smith's performance as an AMA Officer, I have never voted for him, I will not ever vote for him, and I will do my utmost to persuade others to not vote for him.

Sir, consider yourself very fortunate. You are witnessing my very best.

Possibly for a host of other reasons, we certainly are in absolute agreement.

Hi Hoss,

I think you should throw your hat into the ring if for no other reason just to scare the POWERS THAT BE. I find it almost funny how much you scare them.

Don't worry, I tell everybody I can, not to vote for m smith. I don't hafta be in the ama to do that.

I would like to "Second" Hoss's nomination!!!!!

Gentlemen- No need to get into a shouting match over all of this, the fix is already in. I want to say a few words about the appointment of the new CEO that I am sure I will be crucified for saying. I have known Dave for quite a long time. I lived in district 2 and was the IMAA D2 director for five years. Dave is a good person and dedicated to the AMA and model aviation. He works hard at it and is willing to go out of his way to help fellow modelers. All that being said, I am not happy with how all of this went down. Not one person was interviewed for this position although the AMA spent money to advertise the job. I have been told that over 30 people sent in resumes including a person who has a high position in an aviation related non-profit with a soaring membership. The week that this appointment took place, the EC went to Muncie to set-up interviews however sometime prior to the meeting a deal was made and the job went to Dave.

Do I feel that Dave will do a good job-YES. Do I feel he should have been considered-YES. Do I feel the top 8 canidates should have been interviewed-YES. The way this appointment was made stinks of "insider trading" as they say on Wall Street. Why would anyone ever waste the time to apply for a position at the AMA if we do business in such a way?

The AMA needs some reforms as well as some new blood with fresh ideas. The problem is the MEMBERSHIP does not want to get involved as long as someone else is willing to pull the wagon.

its just the trend
The EVP/CFO got his position changed to Hired instead of elected,
Stillman got hired for a job he didnt even apply for (while on the hiring board for it)
and now the No Interviews(?) hiring of DM for ED
.... just the way AMA does things I guess


I think you are forgetting the castigation a member is subjected to when they get involved and want bad things to change or stop. There are plenty of AMA members that get involved, but a lot of them focus their involvement on silencing/harassing the ones trying to fix things

I think you agree
That if we are so embarrassed about things we've done that we cant even talk about them afterward,
maybe we shouldnt be doing those things in the first place.

It would help if you sent in a nomination form. You are an AMA member are you not? Horrace did everything but lick the envelope for you in the thread How much is the Executive Director paid? post #53.. What to say and where to send it.

In case you missed it, here it is:

To: [email protected]
Cc: Joyce Hager
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:28 PM
Subject: Nomination for AMA Executive Vice President


I, [Your name here] , AMA # [______], hereby nominate Horrace D. Cain, AMA L-93, for the position of Executive Vice President of the Academy of Model Aeronautics. He was elected two terms as Dist. VI Vice President, and has been a Leader Member since 1964. His contact information is:

Horrace D. Cain
31619 Bohlssen Rd.
New Caney, TX 77357

281-399-5627
[email protected]

Like I always said, when corps an orgs get big, they get greedy an crooked.

By the way red, I thought that you left here. Seems that I remember you saying something like you was done here and you wouldn't ever be back.


If we knew you was coming, we woulda painted the whole forum Bright Red, an hung out signs that said "WELCOME BACK RED"