Another "Drone" incident in the news... , mostlikely non AMA member
08-30-2014, 03:56 PM
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Yes, and these places satisfy AMA safety guidelines and the FAA interpretation of section 336. The turbine waiver only applies at events with spectators, same for the overweight super giants. Where do you think they go to qualify for a waiver? Sheesh! I am worried about you LCS.
If you can find a safe to place to fly, you can fly, no doubt about it. That goes for any recreational technology like FPV. I only call the cops when idiots are flying unsafely, near people and homes.
If you can find a safe to place to fly, you can fly, no doubt about it. That goes for any recreational technology like FPV. I only call the cops when idiots are flying unsafely, near people and homes.
for some real enthusiastic education, copy and post that waiver comment into the rcjets discussion forum.
08-30-2014, 04:47 PM
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08-30-2014, 04:51 PM
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Don't worry about me... Those that can only paint by the numbers is nothing new to me. FWIW The more you post, the more convinced I am you must be relatively new to the hobby and therefore AMA. I am really beginning to wonder if you're presence here is only to have your fun and games at our expense. Just keep your finger over the 911 fast dial button and I'll keep my finger just outside the trigger guard LOL
Anyway, its all good...carry on.
08-30-2014, 04:57 PM
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08-30-2014, 05:43 PM
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John,
Don't worry about me... Those that can only paint by the numbers is nothing new to me. FWIW The more you post, the more convinced I am you must be relatively new to the hobby and therefore AMA. I am really beginning to wonder if you're presence here is only to have your fun and games at our expense. Just keep your finger over the 911 fast dial button and I'll keep my finger just outside the trigger guard LOL
Anyway, its all good...carry on.
Don't worry about me... Those that can only paint by the numbers is nothing new to me. FWIW The more you post, the more convinced I am you must be relatively new to the hobby and therefore AMA. I am really beginning to wonder if you're presence here is only to have your fun and games at our expense. Just keep your finger over the 911 fast dial button and I'll keep my finger just outside the trigger guard LOL
Anyway, its all good...carry on.
08-30-2014, 05:49 PM
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Are you talking about the part that says?
"1. Model aircraft will not be flown:
(a) In a careless or reckless manner.
(b) At a location where model aircraft activities are prohibited."
Seems pretty clear to me. I can fly anywhere that I have permission to fly. A remote secluded location is perfectly safe if there is enough room to fly. And, I can fly anything that fits. If there is enough room for a turbine, I can fly a turbine and I won't need a waiver. But I will have to know how to fly the beast.
"1. Model aircraft will not be flown:
(a) In a careless or reckless manner.
(b) At a location where model aircraft activities are prohibited."
Seems pretty clear to me. I can fly anywhere that I have permission to fly. A remote secluded location is perfectly safe if there is enough room to fly. And, I can fly anything that fits. If there is enough room for a turbine, I can fly a turbine and I won't need a waiver. But I will have to know how to fly the beast.
08-30-2014, 06:04 PM
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Are you just unable to read and comprehend?
AMA Safety Code A 2 (j) refers to
AMA 510-A.
paragraph below 25 and above the note
BTW AMA Safety Code A 2 (e) controls aircraft over 55 lbs and then
AMA 520-A A 4 requires certification for ant demonstration, practice or general flying.
AMA Safety Code A 2 (j) refers to
AMA 510-A.
paragraph below 25 and above the note
BTW AMA Safety Code A 2 (e) controls aircraft over 55 lbs and then
AMA 520-A A 4 requires certification for ant demonstration, practice or general flying.
08-30-2014, 06:40 PM
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Are you just unable to read and comprehend?
AMA Safety Code A 2 (j) refers to
AMA 510-A.
paragraph below 25 and above the note
BTW AMA Safety Code A 2 (e) controls aircraft over 55 lbs and then
AMA 520-A A 4 requires certification for ant demonstration, practice or general flying.
AMA Safety Code A 2 (j) refers to
AMA 510-A.
paragraph below 25 and above the note
BTW AMA Safety Code A 2 (e) controls aircraft over 55 lbs and then
AMA 520-A A 4 requires certification for ant demonstration, practice or general flying.
08-30-2014, 06:47 PM
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Well, as long as you subjectively deem its all OK...then no 911 button pushing...but the moment you feel things are getting a little sketchy...button pushing time!!!! And then just wait for Barney... Cracks me up when I think about it...funny, funny, funny.
08-30-2014, 07:07 PM
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Really John you are advocating flying outside the programming of a nationwide CBO? You of course realize that the provisions of 336 no longer apply, but OK as an advocate of individual responsibility I can see your point, but the FAA might not agree.
08-30-2014, 08:28 PM
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What I've become to understand is that he feels he should make his independent determination of what's safe and he expects that the authorities will oblige his wishes after he calls 911... Nothing about law and order or anything like that...no real principles involved...just what John feels is right... and that varies depending on how his day is going at that particular time. Maybe he should be an AMA AVP.
08-31-2014, 04:32 AM
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When you talk about firearms you are threatening people. keep your talk to model aviation.
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08-31-2014, 04:34 AM
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"1. Model aircraft will not be flown:
(a) In a careless or reckless manner.
(b) At a location where model aircraft activities are prohibited."
As for the FAA, the same rule applies. Don't endanger the NAS and everything will be fine.
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What I've become to understand is that he feels he should make his independent determination of what's safe and he expects that the authorities will oblige his wishes after he calls 911... Nothing about law and order or anything like that...no real principles involved...just what John feels is right... and that varies depending on how his day is going at that particular time. Maybe he should be an AMA AVP.
08-31-2014, 05:57 AM
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What YOU call a dangerous situation, is YOUR determination. Nothing independent or absolute in that. Purely subjective.
Who says or what makes it dangerous other than you in your belief? If you didn't make the determination (judgement) you would not be pushing the 911 button.
"I am the Law!!" - Judge Dread
08-31-2014, 07:11 AM
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Stay on target!
We are supposed to be throwing FPV under the bus...Unfortunately we are being held fast by the neck strap by our FPV brethren...our problems are more because of idiotic Gladys Kravitz type people than any dangerous actions of drone flyers... So let's keep throwing them dastardly FPV pilots under the bus...we are all going to get our fair share of tire tracks across our backs in the end.
08-31-2014, 08:23 AM
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Just to be clear the "tourist" in question at Grand Prismatic in Yellowstone was from the Netherlands, The "Tourist" who dumped one in Yellowstone Lake was from Germany and the "Tourist" from Oregon who chased Bison at Midway Geyser Basin. All have been charged and face FEDERAL Charges.
Let them all be charged to the fullest, As a Pilot and RC Modeler for 30 years they broke the rules. Besides Yellowstone is a NATURAL place and doesnt even allow full size flight below 2000 ft AGL
Let them all be charged to the fullest, As a Pilot and RC Modeler for 30 years they broke the rules. Besides Yellowstone is a NATURAL place and doesnt even allow full size flight below 2000 ft AGL
08-31-2014, 08:37 AM
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That's exactly the point.
What YOU call a dangerous situation, is YOUR determination. Nothing independent or absolute in that. Purely subjective.
Who says or what makes it dangerous other than you in your belief? If you didn't make the determination (judgement) you would not be pushing the 911 button.
"I am the Law!!" - Judge Dread
What YOU call a dangerous situation, is YOUR determination. Nothing independent or absolute in that. Purely subjective.
Who says or what makes it dangerous other than you in your belief? If you didn't make the determination (judgement) you would not be pushing the 911 button.
"I am the Law!!" - Judge Dread
These acts are all violations of good sense. If I encounter any of these acts or similar acts as described in the lists. I will report them to the law.
08-31-2014, 08:40 AM
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Just to be clear the "tourist" in question at Grand Prismatic in Yellowstone was from the Netherlands, The "Tourist" who dumped one in Yellowstone Lake was from Germany and the "Tourist" from Oregon who chased Bison at Midway Geyser Basin. All have been charged and face FEDERAL Charges.
Let them all be charged to the fullest, As a Pilot and RC Modeler for 30 years they broke the rules. Besides Yellowstone is a NATURAL place and doesnt even allow full size flight below 2000 ft AGL
Let them all be charged to the fullest, As a Pilot and RC Modeler for 30 years they broke the rules. Besides Yellowstone is a NATURAL place and doesnt even allow full size flight below 2000 ft AGL
08-31-2014, 08:44 AM
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Model airplanes??? I think you are getting more confused in every post. This thread is about "another drone incident" in the AMA forum...not much here relative to model airplanes... just AMA control, drones...of both types and the Gladys Kravitz syndrome seems relative but not really anything about model airplanes.
Stay on target!
We are supposed to be throwing FPV under the bus...Unfortunately we are being held fast by the neck strap by our FPV brethren...our problems are more because of idiotic Gladys Kravitz type people than any dangerous actions of drone flyers... So let's keep throwing them dastardly FPV pilots under the bus...we are all going to get our fair share of tire tracks across our backs in the end.
Stay on target!
We are supposed to be throwing FPV under the bus...Unfortunately we are being held fast by the neck strap by our FPV brethren...our problems are more because of idiotic Gladys Kravitz type people than any dangerous actions of drone flyers... So let's keep throwing them dastardly FPV pilots under the bus...we are all going to get our fair share of tire tracks across our backs in the end.
Since when do model airplanes have trigger guards? Don't you ever threaten me again!
As far as FPV goes, there is a solution, actually two possibilities both viable. Both the "buddy box" solution or the spotter solution are perfectly workable. Someone with intimate knowledge of the FPV technology needs to write a rational comment o the FAA to explain them. I can't since I have zero FPV experience and knowledge. I don't think FPV should be thrown under the bus.
08-31-2014, 08:47 AM
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John, you better peak out the window...I think there is an elephant in your neighbors yard.
08-31-2014, 08:58 AM
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I think most of us here understands my point was to convey the comparison of your reliance on the 911 button for your protection and my self reliance...heck, if I call 911 it will probably be to let them know they have a mess to clean up...really...they usually respond after whatever incident... But if the false sense of security of your keepers is good enough for you...then so be it. But for the realists, its far better to be well prepared.
08-31-2014, 09:25 AM
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Why does "flying under a crane" crack me up??? Reminds me of the admonition of not to run with scissors... Anyway, I guess you don't mind wasting our valuable resources on fairly innocuous incidents. I'd like to know how much time and money has been thrown down the toilet pursuing the Pirker incident....I now a lot of bandwidth has been burnt.
John, you better peak out the window...I think there is an elephant in your neighbors yard.
John, you better peak out the window...I think there is an elephant in your neighbors yard.