Another Drone Pilot does it Again
#3951
Here we go, another thing to be worried/concerned about. What exactly is so scary about HH not immediately commenting on the issue when asked by a news reporter? God forbid they research the issue and maybe look into it a bit before a response? Nah....more "sizzle" when its made to look like they "won't" comment, like they are stonewalling.
#3953
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Quote from PCWorld article linked in above post.
"Hobbyist R/C airplanes, helicopters and other flying drones are increasingly causing problems for manned aircraft and even for home owners who feel that their privacy is being invaded when these devices are flown close to their private property. There are certain no-fly areas for drones, for example near airports, but some users ignore these restrictions."
There's some nice press attention! NOT!!! Pretty sure they weren't talking about traditional modelers, but that is certainly what it conjures up in the casual readers' mind. Sad.
Astro
"Hobbyist R/C airplanes, helicopters and other flying drones are increasingly causing problems for manned aircraft and even for home owners who feel that their privacy is being invaded when these devices are flown close to their private property. There are certain no-fly areas for drones, for example near airports, but some users ignore these restrictions."
There's some nice press attention! NOT!!! Pretty sure they weren't talking about traditional modelers, but that is certainly what it conjures up in the casual readers' mind. Sad.
Astro
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Wow, first we get multitudes of reports regarding DSM-2 reliability, and now this.
IT firms and hackers often play a ongoing cat-and-mouse game. The firm develops a "secure" technology, a hacker finds a hole, and the firm fixes the problem. Granted, a fix to DSMX, if it does wind up being easy to hack, might require replacement receivers and/or transmitters, rather than inexpensive firmware upgrades.
My question is this: how easy is it to implement this exploit? Is it something that a kid could do in their basement after watching a YouTube video, or will it require more siphociated expertise? Based on what the article said, the components that are needed are fairly easy to come by, and not too expensive.
Another question is whether or not this exploit could be adapted to the other protocols, such as FASST, ACCST, etc.
IT firms and hackers often play a ongoing cat-and-mouse game. The firm develops a "secure" technology, a hacker finds a hole, and the firm fixes the problem. Granted, a fix to DSMX, if it does wind up being easy to hack, might require replacement receivers and/or transmitters, rather than inexpensive firmware upgrades.
My question is this: how easy is it to implement this exploit? Is it something that a kid could do in their basement after watching a YouTube video, or will it require more siphociated expertise? Based on what the article said, the components that are needed are fairly easy to come by, and not too expensive.
Another question is whether or not this exploit could be adapted to the other protocols, such as FASST, ACCST, etc.
#3955
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Quote from PCWorld article linked in above post.
"Hobbyist R/C airplanes, helicopters and other flying drones are increasingly causing problems for manned aircraft and even for home owners who feel that their privacy is being invaded when these devices are flown close to their private property. There are certain no-fly areas for drones, for example near airports, but some users ignore these restrictions."
There's some nice press attention! NOT!!! Pretty sure they weren't talking about traditional modelers, but that is certainly what it conjures up in the casual readers' mind. Sad.
Astro
"Hobbyist R/C airplanes, helicopters and other flying drones are increasingly causing problems for manned aircraft and even for home owners who feel that their privacy is being invaded when these devices are flown close to their private property. There are certain no-fly areas for drones, for example near airports, but some users ignore these restrictions."
There's some nice press attention! NOT!!! Pretty sure they weren't talking about traditional modelers, but that is certainly what it conjures up in the casual readers' mind. Sad.
Astro
#3957
Why is this such a big concern? Why not a concern about those hack into the security system and steal your car? It's even easy to do with the right tools. And full scale GA airplanes (the smaller ones) are even easier. The door lock of many is a lock similar to your desk lock. And the ignition of many are no more complex than a 1950's automobile, you just pull the wires out the back and cross the right wires. So why are full scale manufactures not required to do something about that?
#3958
Wow, first we get multitudes of reports regarding DSM-2 reliability, and now this.
IT firms and hackers often play a ongoing cat-and-mouse game. The firm develops a "secure" technology, a hacker finds a hole, and the firm fixes the problem. Granted, a fix to DSMX, if it does wind up being easy to hack, might require replacement receivers and/or transmitters, rather than inexpensive firmware upgrades.
My question is this: how easy is it to implement this exploit? Is it something that a kid could do in their basement after watching a YouTube video, or will it require more siphociated expertise? Based on what the article said, the components that are needed are fairly easy to come by, and not too expensive.
Another question is whether or not this exploit could be adapted to the other protocols, such as FASST, ACCST, etc.
IT firms and hackers often play a ongoing cat-and-mouse game. The firm develops a "secure" technology, a hacker finds a hole, and the firm fixes the problem. Granted, a fix to DSMX, if it does wind up being easy to hack, might require replacement receivers and/or transmitters, rather than inexpensive firmware upgrades.
My question is this: how easy is it to implement this exploit? Is it something that a kid could do in their basement after watching a YouTube video, or will it require more siphociated expertise? Based on what the article said, the components that are needed are fairly easy to come by, and not too expensive.
Another question is whether or not this exploit could be adapted to the other protocols, such as FASST, ACCST, etc.
Folk's they are toys, not as dangerous as a full scale vehicle at all!
#3959
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Why is this such a big concern? Why not a concern about those hack into the security system and steal your car? It's even easy to do with the right tools. And full scale GA airplanes (the smaller ones) are even easier. The door lock of many is a lock similar to your desk lock. And the ignition of many are no more complex than a 1950's automobile, you just pull the wires out the back and cross the right wires. So why are full scale manufactures not required to do something about that?
#3960
Felt this post worked just as well here , and to be honest ever since I saw the countermeasures that are so easily used against any RC gear , from the beginning days of people with illegal 500 watt amps on their CB radios wiping out the 27 MHZ band right on up to this newest advancement of being able to "beat the TX to the RX" method of taking control of 2.4 GHZ gear , I've never even come close to 100% trusting any RC link . And before folks go getting all "Spektrum is junk caused it's been hacked" I'm sure with a tweak of a code or two this is gonna work with ALL 2.4 RC from every manufacturer .
Now since I don't fly in a way that would cause the authorities to have to use such a device on my UAS , I'm not all that worried if the government only uses it to remove UAS that are truly in the way of full scale manned flights . What I am worried about is when some idiot with a grudge against RCers gets a hold of one and decides to crash a bunch of RC aircraft for some kind of twisted revenge .
Now since I don't fly in a way that would cause the authorities to have to use such a device on my UAS , I'm not all that worried if the government only uses it to remove UAS that are truly in the way of full scale manned flights . What I am worried about is when some idiot with a grudge against RCers gets a hold of one and decides to crash a bunch of RC aircraft for some kind of twisted revenge .
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 10-28-2016 at 07:01 AM.
#3961
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/31361...-hijacked.html
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Simple solution to the sUAS (Drone/MR) interfering with Full Scale problem.
Just as two way radios and encoding Transponders and soon ADS-B are required equipment
so should these devices be installed on all aircraft over 200 lbs gross weight..
At the plane owners expense of course.
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Simple solution to the sUAS (Drone/MR) interfering with Full Scale problem.
Just as two way radios and encoding Transponders and soon ADS-B are required equipment
so should these devices be installed on all aircraft over 200 lbs gross weight..
At the plane owners expense of course.
#3962
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#3963
And this is almost word for word what I said in a boating forum yesterday. If one person can figure out how to hack into a 2.4 R/C set, using off the shelf stuff, how long will it be before someone else does the same for other than honorable reasons. If someone knows the frequency of each channel in all the R/C bands, not hard to do since they are posted literally everywhere, all it would take is a transmitter with a variable frequency module and a simple signal booster to override everything other than 2.4. As for 2.4, this guy has already shown(supposedly) that it can be done so who's to say, if a plane, car or boat crashes, that it wasn't shot down by someone using this kind of gear?
Like I said I have never trusted 100% in any radio link , and all things like this do is to reinforce the reasons why I fly like I do . Yes sir , I don't do full speed runs straight at the pilot's stations only to pull up at the last second because in order ; #1 , it's against the safety code , #2 , I would never jeopardize anyone's safety like that , and , #3 I wouldn't ever trust that that wouldn't be the very moment someone might be testing such a device as is being discussed here .
#3964
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#3965
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https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/23/...drone-flights/
Interesting considering just how bad our government wants to be more like Europe.
Mike
Interesting considering just how bad our government wants to be more like Europe.
Mike
So in Sweden, if the device I am flying has a camera, it is a surveillance drone requiring a government permit...no camera, it is not a drone, no registration required, it is just a hobby model....hmm where have I heard that idea before...so simple a Swedish social democrat can understand it :-)
Hopefully our advocacy group, the AMA can reopen the case and make this simple argument to the FAA and separate my model aircraft away from these flying tripods.
For the 1% of modelers that flew with cameras (like me) before all of these idiot drone youtube posters, well tough luck.
Hey Mike, I think you are a rocket guy, this was my last "flying tripod", 0-100 in about 2 seconds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWevA2c9nFI
#3967
#3968
Yes, even the creamiest, best part of Europe, Scandinavia....nirvana.
So in Sweden, if the device I am flying has a camera, it is a surveillance drone requiring a government permit...no camera, it is not a drone, no registration required, it is just a hobby model....hmm where have I heard that idea before...so simple a Swedish social democrat can understand it :-)
Hopefully our advocacy group, the AMA can reopen the case and make this simple argument to the FAA and separate my model aircraft away from these flying tripods.
For the 1% of modelers that flew with cameras (like me) before all of these idiot drone youtube posters, well tough luck.
Hey Mike, I think you are a rocket guy, this was my last "flying tripod", 0-100 in about 2 seconds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWevA2c9nFI
So in Sweden, if the device I am flying has a camera, it is a surveillance drone requiring a government permit...no camera, it is not a drone, no registration required, it is just a hobby model....hmm where have I heard that idea before...so simple a Swedish social democrat can understand it :-)
Hopefully our advocacy group, the AMA can reopen the case and make this simple argument to the FAA and separate my model aircraft away from these flying tripods.
For the 1% of modelers that flew with cameras (like me) before all of these idiot drone youtube posters, well tough luck.
Hey Mike, I think you are a rocket guy, this was my last "flying tripod", 0-100 in about 2 seconds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWevA2c9nFI
Hoping to get my Level one next month.
Mike
#3969
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Yes, even the creamiest, best part of Europe, Scandinavia....nirvana.
So in Sweden, if the device I am flying has a camera, it is a surveillance drone requiring a government permit...no camera, it is not a drone, no registration required, it is just a hobby model....hmm where have I heard that idea before...so simple a Swedish social democrat can understand it :-)
Hopefully our advocacy group, the AMA can reopen the case and make this simple argument to the FAA and separate my model aircraft away from these flying tripods.
For the 1% of modelers that flew with cameras (like me) before all of these idiot drone youtube posters, well tough luck.
Hey Mike, I think you are a rocket guy, this was my last "flying tripod", 0-100 in about 2 seconds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWevA2c9nFI
So in Sweden, if the device I am flying has a camera, it is a surveillance drone requiring a government permit...no camera, it is not a drone, no registration required, it is just a hobby model....hmm where have I heard that idea before...so simple a Swedish social democrat can understand it :-)
Hopefully our advocacy group, the AMA can reopen the case and make this simple argument to the FAA and separate my model aircraft away from these flying tripods.
For the 1% of modelers that flew with cameras (like me) before all of these idiot drone youtube posters, well tough luck.
Hey Mike, I think you are a rocket guy, this was my last "flying tripod", 0-100 in about 2 seconds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWevA2c9nFI
But interesting to see that folks here who have such distain and contempt for the AMA would then suggest they have the ability to make one of the nation's largest federal agencies do an About face on established policy.
#3970
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Clinging to the hope that we can go back to the past is setting folks up for a lot of disappointment.
Time marches on, and forward.
#3971
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It's a seemingly simple solution to a more complex problem. There's a reason that simple solutions don't always work, despite just wishing it were so.
Clinging to the hope that we can go back to the past is setting folks up for a lot of disappointment.
Time marches on, and forward.
Clinging to the hope that we can go back to the past is setting folks up for a lot of disappointment.
Time marches on, and forward.
LOL
Astro
#3972
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Great theoretical question but completely irrelevant. It's nothing more than an exercise in futility wondering what if. I personally don't think it's possible, but I'll agree that it might have been possible in some contruct in the past. At best it would have made some "traditional" folks feel better, but wouldn't have mattered to the feds.
My point is, it's no longer an option. It's not open for discussion with the AMA or FAA from any indication I can see.
My point is, it's no longer an option. It's not open for discussion with the AMA or FAA from any indication I can see.
#3973
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Great theoretical question but completely irrelevant. It's nothing more than an exercise in futility wondering what if. I personally don't think it's possible, but I'll agree that it might have been possible in some contruct in the past. At best it would have made some "traditional" folks feel better, but wouldn't have mattered to the feds.
My point is, it's no longer an option. It's not open for discussion with the AMA or FAA from any indication I can see.
My point is, it's no longer an option. It's not open for discussion with the AMA or FAA from any indication I can see.
Astro
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Yes, even the creamiest, best part of Europe, Scandinavia....nirvana.
So in Sweden, if the device I am flying has a camera, it is a surveillance drone requiring a government permit...no camera, it is not a drone, no registration required, it is just a hobby model....hmm where have I heard that idea before...so simple a Swedish social democrat can understand it :-)
Hopefully our advocacy group, the AMA can reopen the case and make this simple argument to the FAA and separate my model aircraft away from these flying tripods.
For the 1% of modelers that flew with cameras (like me) before all of these idiot drone youtube posters, well tough luck.
So in Sweden, if the device I am flying has a camera, it is a surveillance drone requiring a government permit...no camera, it is not a drone, no registration required, it is just a hobby model....hmm where have I heard that idea before...so simple a Swedish social democrat can understand it :-)
Hopefully our advocacy group, the AMA can reopen the case and make this simple argument to the FAA and separate my model aircraft away from these flying tripods.
For the 1% of modelers that flew with cameras (like me) before all of these idiot drone youtube posters, well tough luck.
Now expect a few words from the AMA/MultiGP glee club............