AMA fields that exclude AMA groups.
10-12-2015, 05:26 PM
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AMA fields that exclude AMA groups.
I know its every clubs right. No 3D or drones allowed. But they ask the AMA for all their protection. Should all the clubs be promoting and not excluding AMA groups.
Should the clubs that exclude AMA groups / members be permitted to be allowed to have all AMA protections given to their field? Like events, Should they be excluded from additional insured events. Should they be allowed to receive AMA grants? I just don't get an AMA Club that would not want to welcome AMA flyers even if they fly 3D or Multirotors.
The biggest question is, do clubs exclude these groups due to they don't like the group or could it be a hate of these groups. I'm not against on having an event like a warbird only event. I love watching those high dollar scale warbirds. Its not for me to spend the funds on the heavy warbirds. I tried it but I got board flying in circles. Its not that I don't have the building skills to build. My first scratch airplane was a Ninja Star.
I prefer to fly good flying ARF aircraft. Sport, profile, gliders and multirotor. Don't forget the 3D group is clam free for the past 6 years according to the AMA. So it cant be a safety concern.
I think this AMA fields can turn out to be a real concern to the AMA.
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Should the clubs that exclude AMA groups / members be permitted to be allowed to have all AMA protections given to their field? Like events, Should they be excluded from additional insured events. Should they be allowed to receive AMA grants? I just don't get an AMA Club that would not want to welcome AMA flyers even if they fly 3D or Multirotors.
The biggest question is, do clubs exclude these groups due to they don't like the group or could it be a hate of these groups. I'm not against on having an event like a warbird only event. I love watching those high dollar scale warbirds. Its not for me to spend the funds on the heavy warbirds. I tried it but I got board flying in circles. Its not that I don't have the building skills to build. My first scratch airplane was a Ninja Star.
I prefer to fly good flying ARF aircraft. Sport, profile, gliders and multirotor. Don't forget the 3D group is clam free for the past 6 years according to the AMA. So it cant be a safety concern.
I think this AMA fields can turn out to be a real concern to the AMA.
Crash99
10-12-2015, 05:34 PM
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The AMA is not going to, nor should it be involved in the decisions you noted above. Not practice or feasible, or advised for that matter. The club decides, pure and simple. There are some clubs that are electric only, should they not be afforded the full protection and involvement from the AMA because they don't allow nitro or gas? Many don't allow turbines, for the same reasons some clubs are only electric (noise, size of field). If you're wondering what a club is all about, look them up online, most have their bylaws posted. Visit some and talk with people about what is and what is not allowed. Not that you have or would, but just in case if you don't agree with the clubs position, best to not get vocal about it before trying to join. Might not make for the best welcome aboard. You'll find different clubs have different traditions and expected ways of behavior. Best to figure that out before you join.
Good luck.
Good luck.
10-12-2015, 05:59 PM
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As has been said clubs are free to make their own choice as to what they allow to fly. That being said I do think the AMA should do more to discourage clubs from excluding various types of models unless they
have a good reason for doing so such as the size of their field or being close to full scale operation.
have a good reason for doing so such as the size of their field or being close to full scale operation.
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10-12-2015, 06:12 PM
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Good points were made and I agree that clubs have the right to exclude groups but unless the club has just cause like noise restrictions by their location or size and so on maybe the AMA should exclude benefits to that club.
Coming from a club that welcomes all AMA groups and don't have issues with getting along, I am having a hard time with a club that would exclude a group do to no reason.
Maybe they should be excluded from some benefits that the clubs that promote the AMA.
Coming from a club that welcomes all AMA groups and don't have issues with getting along, I am having a hard time with a club that would exclude a group do to no reason.
Maybe they should be excluded from some benefits that the clubs that promote the AMA.
10-13-2015, 12:32 AM
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Good points were made and I agree that clubs have the right to exclude groups but unless the club has just cause like noise restrictions by their location or size and so on maybe the AMA should exclude benefits to that club.
Coming from a club that welcomes all AMA groups and don't have issues with getting along, I am having a hard time with a club that would exclude a group do to no reason.
Maybe they should be excluded from some benefits that the clubs that promote the AMA.
Coming from a club that welcomes all AMA groups and don't have issues with getting along, I am having a hard time with a club that would exclude a group do to no reason.
Maybe they should be excluded from some benefits that the clubs that promote the AMA.
10-13-2015, 04:21 AM
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Yup, that may actually be your best bet. That's exactly what got me involved in one of the clubs I belong to now, I didn't like what I saw happening with helis getting singled out and eventually banned. It took two years and lots of work, but they were eventually brought back. Funny part, I don't fly them. But if that happened with heli's, there's no saying that Nitro birds, or electrics wouldn't be next. Giant scale and jets do get squeezed out sometimes though, for sure.
10-13-2015, 04:34 AM
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Yup, that may actually be your best bet. That's exactly what got me involved in one of the clubs I belong to now, I didn't like what I saw happening with helis getting singled out and eventually banned. It took two years and lots of work, but they were eventually brought back. Funny part, I don't fly them. But if that happened with heli's, there's no saying that Nitro birds, or electrics wouldn't be next. Giant scale and jets do get squeezed out sometimes though, for sure.
10-13-2015, 04:46 AM
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This topic comes up regularly.
All AMA chartered clubs pay a fee to be a chartered club.
Clubs can limit operations as they see fit. Many of these restrictions are due to noise, size of the field, location of the field, proximity to full-size aircraft, proximity to residential areas, highways, etc. Others are because they clubs focuses on a particular type of aircraft/flying (e.g., gliders).
Also, many fields are on private property. You wouldn't be too happy if the AMA told you what you had to do on your own property would you?
You may have some recourse if the field is on public property although that can be an uphill battle as well.
Where did you get you statistics on 3D claims? Last I heard the AMA does not maintain specific types of claims data.
All AMA chartered clubs pay a fee to be a chartered club.
Clubs can limit operations as they see fit. Many of these restrictions are due to noise, size of the field, location of the field, proximity to full-size aircraft, proximity to residential areas, highways, etc. Others are because they clubs focuses on a particular type of aircraft/flying (e.g., gliders).
Also, many fields are on private property. You wouldn't be too happy if the AMA told you what you had to do on your own property would you?
You may have some recourse if the field is on public property although that can be an uphill battle as well.
Where did you get you statistics on 3D claims? Last I heard the AMA does not maintain specific types of claims data.
10-13-2015, 04:52 AM
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We have one member in our club who has multiple turbines, most of the fields in the area won't let him fly, even ones with tons of open space. He's on the jet circuit now and usually goes from CT to PA to fly. We're thrilled when he comes up to the field and he always gets preference when flying. His name is Wes, you might have bumped in to him at an event. Nicest guy in the world, and man does he love his toys!
Edit...you got one helluva gallery!
10-13-2015, 04:53 AM
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Good job! It takes a special person to be willing to step up to the plate to make change happen and very few are willing to do it.
10-13-2015, 05:37 AM
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Some people don't find turbines screaming enjoyable. Some people don't find dodging 50 lb monsters that go out of control because some idiot wants to smash his rudder on the runway fun. Some people don't like the high pitched whine of a heli engine or whirling knife blades just a few feet away.
10-13-2015, 05:56 AM
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Some people don't find turbines screaming enjoyable. Some people don't find dodging 50 lb monsters that go out of control because some idiot wants to smash his rudder on the runway fun. Some people don't like the high pitched whine of a heli engine or whirling knife blades just a few feet away.
10-13-2015, 05:58 AM
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A club is a group of like minded people.
If you and 4 buddies got together and formed a glider club would it be fair if the AMA said you have to let gas guys fly there?
I admit that it bothers me when a type of flying is excluded, say a club that flys giant scale but doens't allow what they define as "3D"
If you and 4 buddies got together and formed a glider club would it be fair if the AMA said you have to let gas guys fly there?
I admit that it bothers me when a type of flying is excluded, say a club that flys giant scale but doens't allow what they define as "3D"
10-13-2015, 07:32 AM
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Bingo!
A club is a group of like minded people.
If you and 4 buddies got together and formed a glider club would it be fair if the AMA said you have to let gas guys fly there?
I admit that it bothers me when a type of flying is excluded, say a club that flys giant scale but doens't allow what they define as "3D"
If you and 4 buddies got together and formed a glider club would it be fair if the AMA said you have to let gas guys fly there?
I admit that it bothers me when a type of flying is excluded, say a club that flys giant scale but doens't allow what they define as "3D"
10-13-2015, 08:12 AM
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Clubs dictate policy not the AMA.
Anything can be changed it just takes effort and the willingness to step up.
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10-13-2015, 08:50 AM
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First, RCFLYERDAN, your and the rest of you are always welcome to fly with us. See we welcome all AMA members and exclude no one. See we fly what we bring and we all get along.
10-13-2015, 08:58 AM
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10-13-2015, 09:23 AM
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Nothing ever gets banned for no reason. 3d pilots can be very inconsiderate of others, leading to that kind of flying being banned in many clubs. If you don't want it happening in your club, don't hover over the runway or get in other's way who are flying the circuit. Sometimes helicopters aren't allowed for the same reason. For multirotors, I don't see why they would want to fly them at a club field, but if they did and were banned it would probably be for jerkish behavior too.
10-13-2015, 09:30 AM
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Three other flying sites, two in City parks, the other not, only allow electrics planes, again because the parks departments and/or land owners are concerned about noise. So is this a situation where it is OK to ban an AMA group or ignore the owners and risk losing the flying sites?
It seems that many think the decision to prohibit certain kinds of planes/groups is based on a dislike of the prohibited group. That has rarely been my experience. Bans are almost always the result of restrictions that come from the land owners or other limitations that are needed in order for the site to even exist.