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Old 01-11-2016, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jwren00
Where's my refund? I registered a few days before xmas and my $5.00 hasn't been returned yet.
Contact the FAA.
Old 01-11-2016, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
I asked AMA directly if they viewed you have to be a member to operate above 400' AGL. They responded no, but just today they say they're working with the FAA to get language on the FAA site that if you're an AMA member, you can go above 400. So they're working to actually make membership mandatory.

I also asked them about the >=55lb thing. They said that you must be a member for them to certify the aircraft per PL112-95 section 336 (a)(3). So for those, you absolutely have to be a member.

I have a problem with a private dues collecting organization using the law to compel me to pay them money to exercise a right in the public airspace.
To the FAA it is a privilege not a right.......
Old 01-11-2016, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jchorak
To the FAA it is a privilege not a right.......
For now it is a right. The FAA has yet to write a regulation against it.
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Originally Posted by jchorak
To the FAA it is a privilege not a right.......
Exactly as it should be. As much as I want to freedom to do what I want where I want how I want, there are other considerations to be dealt with. I am more frightened at the thought of some of the big retailers scrambling to get their birds in the air than I am a fellow AMA member doing something. Flying in the NAS isn't any different than driving on the roads...it is a privilege, not some absolute right. It sucks that our hobby got caught up in this mess, but there were far more reaching issues than just us.
Old 01-11-2016, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
For now it is a right. The FAA has yet to write a regulation against it.
Mr. Gibson said twice "privilege" with respect to flying in the NAS. The only "rights" are those established in the constitution. Show us where it says anything about flying model airplanes in the Constitution.
Old 01-11-2016, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by porcia83
Exactly as it should be. As much as I want to freedom to do what I want where I want how I want, there are other considerations to be dealt with. I am more frightened at the thought of some of the big retailers scrambling to get their birds in the air than I am a fellow AMA member doing something. Flying in the NAS isn't any different than driving on the roads...it is a privilege, not some absolute right. It sucks that our hobby got caught up in this mess, but there were far more reaching issues than just us.
I agree with you. Mr. Gibson very deliberately used the word "privilege" not once but twice in the meeting when discussing flight in the NAS. Unless and until Sport can show us where the US Constitution discusses a right to fly model airplanes, he's just wrong.
Old 01-11-2016, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
Mr. Gibson said twice "privilege" with respect to flying in the NAS. The only "rights" are those established in the constitution. Show us where it says anything about flying model airplanes in the Constitution.
It appears Sporty is having a tough day getting his facts straight.
Old 01-11-2016, 03:34 PM
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I hear the bell ringing on cue for the "we have the god given right to do anything" and "welcome to Socialism" and "a civil war is just around the corner" comments.....because all seem to fit so aptly in a site dedicated to RC toys.
Old 01-11-2016, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by porcia83
I hear the bell ringing on cue for the "we have the god given right to do anything" and "welcome to Socialism" and "a civil war is just around the corner" comments.....because all seem to fit so aptly in a site dedicated to RC toys.
It's already started in the other thread.
Old 01-11-2016, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
The only "rights" are those established in the constitution....
I'll probably be flamed for saying this but here it goes. This argument is a fallacy, and I've heard it used a lot especially dealing with privacy, but if one wasn't asleep in their civics class they would have read the 9th Amendment and, to a lesser degree, the 10th amendment telling us that there are more rights than those enumerated in the Constitution and who has them.

If you may do something legally without government interference it may be construed as a right. Once you have to pay for a license to do it makes it a privilege.

Here they are:

[h=2]Amendment IX[/h][h=2]Rights retained by the People
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
[/h][h=2]Amendment X[/h][h=2]States' rights
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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Old 01-11-2016, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jwren00
Where's my refund? I registered a few days before xmas and my $5.00 hasn't been returned yet.
I registered on 21st December and just got the refund back yesterday.

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Old 01-11-2016, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Please don't encourage him, he's posted that link dozens of times already.
Hey Chrispy lest We get"

Count Down timer Till FAA Mandatory Registration:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown...ion&font=serif
Old 01-11-2016, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Maybe hundreds of times.
U2 sport ....Count Down timer Till FAA Mandatory Registration:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown...ion&font=serif
Old 01-11-2016, 08:40 PM
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One item I've had some questions about and hasn't really been addressed anywhere concerns the longevity of the FAA registration number. I've seen the FAA articles where they state their thinking (??) that most sUAS are very short-lived, few lasting more than a year. Most of my planes are in the 35-45 yr old bracket (all still flying) and I was wondering about renewing in 3 years - will we keep the same number or get a new one. Got the answer today. Entire e-mail below:

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Thank you for your inquiry. You will be able to keep the same number.

Regards,

Thea Dickerman
FAA UAS Integration Office
www.faa.gov/uas

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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:44 AM
To: 9-AFS-UAS-Inquiries (FAA)
Subject: Message from www.faa.gov: [email protected]

This email was sent through the Federal Aviation Administration's public website. You have been contacted via an email link on the following page: http://www.faa.gov/uas/contacts/


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I understand about the FAA registration of sUAS flyers, and am already registered - no problem. In 3 years, when I have to renew my registration, will I keep the same number or will a new one be issued. My concern is placing my number on all my model aircraft - will I have to take the old one off and apply a new one every 3 years?

Thanks.
Old 01-11-2016, 09:01 PM
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I'm sure you will keep the same number.

Originally Posted by skylark-flier
One item I've had some questions about and hasn't really been addressed anywhere concerns the longevity of the FAA registration number. I've seen the FAA articles where they state their thinking (??) that most sUAS are very short-lived, few lasting more than a year. Most of my planes are in the 35-45 yr old bracket (all still flying) and I was wondering about renewing in 3 years - will we keep the same number or get a new one. Got the answer today. Entire e-mail below:

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Message body

Thank you for your inquiry. You will be able to keep the same number.

Regards,

Thea Dickerman
FAA UAS Integration Office
www.faa.gov/uas

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From: [email protected] [[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:44 AM
To: 9-AFS-UAS-Inquiries (FAA)
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This email was sent through the Federal Aviation Administration's public website. You have been contacted via an email link on the following page: http://www.faa.gov/uas/contacts/


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I understand about the FAA registration of sUAS flyers, and am already registered - no problem. In 3 years, when I have to renew my registration, will I keep the same number or will a new one be issued. My concern is placing my number on all my model aircraft - will I have to take the old one off and apply a new one every 3 years?

Thanks.
Old 01-11-2016, 09:06 PM
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OK what one of U extremely intelligent guys can explain how or if a, Canadian here for 6 months, and is flying right now under the Intro Pilot program.. Club Plane, not his or mine. Do I put my number in the plane or what ... Any guesses out there.



http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown...ion&font=serif

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Old 01-11-2016, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog
OK what one of U extremely intelligent guys can explain how or if a, Canadian here for 6 months, and is flying right now under the Intro Pilot program.. Club Plane, not his or mine. Do I put my number in the plane or what ... Any guesses out there.

Make him get a number and use his number. Not necessarily the right thing to do, but this place will go to hell if you end up in jail.
Old 01-11-2016, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
I'm sure you will keep the same number.
Yeah, but we're dealing with Uncle Sugar here and I wasn't so sure, so I asked. NOW, I'm sure.
Old 01-12-2016, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
It appears Sporty is having a tough day getting his facts straight.
It doesn't have to say flying model airplanes is a right. The ninth amendment says that any rights not mentioned in the constitution shall not be disparaged and shall retained to the people. So this is a right per the constitution.
Old 01-12-2016, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Russell_C
I'll probably be flamed for saying this but here it goes. This argument is a fallacy, and I've heard it used a lot especially dealing with privacy, but if one wasn't asleep in their civics class they would have read the 9th Amendment and, to a lesser degree, the 10th amendment telling us that there are more rights than those enumerated in the Constitution and who has them.

If you may do something legally without government interference it may be construed as a right. Once you have to pay for a license to do it makes it a privilege.

Here they are:

Amendment IX

Rights retained by the People
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X

States' rights
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


I don't disagree with those two amendments, I'm of the belief that it's settled law that just like driver's licenses, flying in the nations airspace is a privilege.
Old 01-12-2016, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Make him get a number and use his number. Not necessarily the right thing to do, but this place will go to hell if you end up in jail.
Crispy I didn't think U cared ... Can U bake ?.... I like chocolate cake with a file in it of course.
Old 01-12-2016, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by skylark-flier

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I understand about the FAA registration of sUAS flyers, and am already registered - no problem. In 3 years, when I have to renew my registration, will I keep the same number or will a new one be issued. My concern is placing my number on all my model aircraft - will I have to take the old one off and apply a new one every 3 years?

Thank
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
I'm sure you will keep the same number
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U have airplanes that last 3 years and U really fly them ... amazing? We have several club members that kill several planes a month. Yesterday this Canadian (That has already Killed 4 or 5 this season) came out to the field with a brand new plane with a 1.60 + 4 stroke . He had another guy maiden it and we even didn't want to fly it. If he can get them started he's got a 50 50 chance of taking it home in the same condition he brought it. Never is with a garbage bak close.
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Originally Posted by HoundDog
Crispy I didn't think U cared ... Can U bake ?.... I like chocolate cake with a file in it of course.
Of course I care. In fact, I just ordered a new advanced magic doggie decoder ring from Amazon so I can understand your posts better.
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Originally Posted by skylark-flier
Yeah, but we're dealing with Uncle Sugar here and I wasn't so sure, so I asked. NOW, I'm sure.
It's not always Uncle Sam that's the problem. You'd be amazed how many people cannot keep track of basic information like their phone number, mailing address, bank account numbers, passwords, etc. Changing that number every X years would be a recipe for disaster. Based on the size of the registration number and the number/type of digits used they won't be running out of numbers anytime soon.
Old 01-12-2016, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NorfolkSouthern
I would have no problem with it. Even if it's an OS .55AX powered Great Planes Extra 300SP. Flying a model airplane, like driving a car, is a privilege. Not a right.
Read the Constitution, it is a right not privilege. Check out the 9th and 10th amendment.


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