Are you ready to register your aircraft?
12-14-2015, 07:12 PM
#2426
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I will do as i am told by the faa and the ama..it is the law and it will be enforced by the clubs...for any one to say they wont your kidding your self and you will lose..all ama clubs have to do it.,,,,,,,we we dont the next step is there will not be any flying......so just do it
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12-14-2015, 07:16 PM
#2428
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Here is the background on this one. Keep in mind it's doubtful it will really work, but it lets people think the police and authorities are doing something about it. Sound familiar? 
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/tokyo-police-drones-catch-illegal-flying-devices-article-1.2464560
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/tokyo-police-drones-catch-illegal-flying-devices-article-1.2464560
12-14-2015, 07:47 PM
#2431
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FAA registration:
Since the AMA has raise their dues per year by $25-$75 per year, to protect us from unnecessary FAA regulations and they had failed at their task. I'm asking the AMA to lower next year the registration fee by $25 so go back to the old rate of $50 per year if they do not do this I would suggest that all AMA members drop their membership.
I think the AMA was right in trying to protect quad copters and bringing them into the fold. Since they are by definition remote control aircraft. But the popularity of their growth by not having to have a runway need it for takeoff and landing has led to their popularity. Unfortunately the more people that get involved in flying remote control aircraft leads to unfortunate incidents that's been in the news. Just like you remember in class where you have 30 students in class you can always count on at least 3 of them being goofballs and nut heads.
So we've been paying our AMA membership to provide us with the insurance coverage can anybody state for me where they paid out on claims were aircraft it hit people or cars or buildings etc.?
Don't worry about the government not having your address already do you think that government agencies can hack into the AMA computers, they all have your names and addresses. Just like we heard on the news that if you purchased anything any Target store the Chinese hackers have got that information also if you apply for any government jobs through the Office of Personnel Management the Chinese hackers or Russian hackers have got your information social security number already.
Hey I got a great idea instead of sending our $75 per year to the AMA let's send that money to the FAA for a special privilege class aircraft drone operator . This class would allow you to do two stupid things Per year and if you get caught it would merely be a little slap on the wrist and a verbal warning only .
Since the AMA has raise their dues per year by $25-$75 per year, to protect us from unnecessary FAA regulations and they had failed at their task. I'm asking the AMA to lower next year the registration fee by $25 so go back to the old rate of $50 per year if they do not do this I would suggest that all AMA members drop their membership.
I think the AMA was right in trying to protect quad copters and bringing them into the fold. Since they are by definition remote control aircraft. But the popularity of their growth by not having to have a runway need it for takeoff and landing has led to their popularity. Unfortunately the more people that get involved in flying remote control aircraft leads to unfortunate incidents that's been in the news. Just like you remember in class where you have 30 students in class you can always count on at least 3 of them being goofballs and nut heads.
So we've been paying our AMA membership to provide us with the insurance coverage can anybody state for me where they paid out on claims were aircraft it hit people or cars or buildings etc.?
Don't worry about the government not having your address already do you think that government agencies can hack into the AMA computers, they all have your names and addresses. Just like we heard on the news that if you purchased anything any Target store the Chinese hackers have got that information also if you apply for any government jobs through the Office of Personnel Management the Chinese hackers or Russian hackers have got your information social security number already.
Hey I got a great idea instead of sending our $75 per year to the AMA let's send that money to the FAA for a special privilege class aircraft drone operator . This class would allow you to do two stupid things Per year and if you get caught it would merely be a little slap on the wrist and a verbal warning only .
12-14-2015, 07:51 PM
#2432
4. RC model aircraft must use the radio-control frequencies currently allowed by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Only individuals properlylicensed by the FCC are authorized to operate equipment on Amateur Band frequencies.
And make sure they don't go over 400 ft.? Only A size motors?
12-14-2015, 08:46 PM
#2435
But does this mean CD's won't be able to ask for and require FAA registration? I'm betting FAA registration becomes part of the AMA safety code just as B4 exists on the Safety Code today:
4. RC model aircraft must use the radio-control frequencies currently allowed by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Only individuals properlylicensed by the FCC are authorized to operate equipment on Amateur Band frequencies.
4. RC model aircraft must use the radio-control frequencies currently allowed by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Only individuals properlylicensed by the FCC are authorized to operate equipment on Amateur Band frequencies.
Are they going to promulgate rules and regulations that are not in the AMA's interests? Rules they might actually sue the FAA to change? At least today the answer is no for CDs at events.
12-14-2015, 10:05 PM
#2437
If I am not mistaken the rocket guys cut their own deal years ago with the FAA. RC included!
https://youtu.be/C9ucN3r03u8
And with cameras!
https://youtu.be/YWevA2c9nFI
https://youtu.be/C9ucN3r03u8
And with cameras!
https://youtu.be/YWevA2c9nFI
12-14-2015, 10:11 PM
#2438
If you are flying at your clubs field which is an AMA Chartered club you will likely have to show proof of registration along with your renewed AMA.
Just because I am ready to register my aircraft doesn't mean this fight is over. I will continue to argue for the separation of drones and model aircraft, because it is what I believe. Dammitt.
Just because I am ready to register my aircraft doesn't mean this fight is over. I will continue to argue for the separation of drones and model aircraft, because it is what I believe. Dammitt.
12-14-2015, 10:15 PM
#2439
I guess that lets most rockets off the hook.
But it seems control line aircraft need to register since the lines act as a communication link and tethered drones are also required to register.
And it's good to know that non-citizens are free to fly without registration.
But it seems control line aircraft need to register since the lines act as a communication link and tethered drones are also required to register.
And it's good to know that non-citizens are free to fly without registration.
12-14-2015, 10:24 PM
#2440
The fact is you are registering yourself, so this will be as useful in reality as guns laws when criminals can still get them. go to a hobby store buy a drone or model and there you go...or better sell a plane and forget your number is in it. This is stupid.
12-15-2015, 04:22 AM
#2441
I'm sure black SUVs with government plates will be showing up at flying fields to do enforcement.
12-15-2015, 04:35 AM
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12-15-2015, 04:37 AM
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12-15-2015, 04:49 AM
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While I'll never know for sure, the language AMA got into 336 certainly set them up to be in a good position to monopolize operations. I also agree that not just Congress saw this, but more importantly the FAA did. I don't think it's accidental that the FAA has not recognized the AMA as a CBO. Suing the FAA only made FAA dig in its heels even more.
What will be interesting is if the tens of thousands of MR fliers don't come running to the AMA for membership. Looking at their tax free tax filings, the incoming revenue has been declining since 2007. My requests to AMA for demographics data (just number of members in each membership category over last five years) was met with "that's proprietary" and not shared with members. I submit that if things are going so well, then why not share demographic data. Put it all together, and add the resounding defeat in the rule announced today, and in my opinion the AMA is at a crossroads.
It will be interesting to see if they rethink their strategy.
What will be interesting is if the tens of thousands of MR fliers don't come running to the AMA for membership. Looking at their tax free tax filings, the incoming revenue has been declining since 2007. My requests to AMA for demographics data (just number of members in each membership category over last five years) was met with "that's proprietary" and not shared with members. I submit that if things are going so well, then why not share demographic data. Put it all together, and add the resounding defeat in the rule announced today, and in my opinion the AMA is at a crossroads.
It will be interesting to see if they rethink their strategy.
AOPA
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US Ultra Light Organization
And many SIG's dedicated to particular aircraft and activities are CBO's. This is a legal term and only that, there is no procedure for recognizing a CBO.
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12-15-2015, 05:08 AM
#2445
Yep. I had a blacked out Balckhawk hovering over my house last night as I was unloading a couple of air frames. I don't see anyone messing with anybody as long as your playing nice. The FAA wants to play R/C let them I really don't care.
The AMA is now just a insurance company with a magazine and your dues are now ( as they have always been) a premium.
So if the AMA is just an insurance company why not buy your insurance somewhere else? Why not call Geico? Perhaps they can solve all your insurance needs in 15 minutes or less.
As far as local clubs enforcing this registration is up to the individual and I guess if a club chooses to do inspections ( with the clubs members approval) than so be it.
No reason the membership would need to approve it.
Mike
The AMA is now just a insurance company with a magazine and your dues are now ( as they have always been) a premium.
So if the AMA is just an insurance company why not buy your insurance somewhere else? Why not call Geico? Perhaps they can solve all your insurance needs in 15 minutes or less.
As far as local clubs enforcing this registration is up to the individual and I guess if a club chooses to do inspections ( with the clubs members approval) than so be it.
No reason the membership would need to approve it.
Mike
12-15-2015, 05:35 AM
#2447
You would think that AMA could automatically enroll all members with the FAA and provide you with your personal registration number. With so many people questioning the need for AMA, this could be a little extra perk they could provide.
And you would think that people who register with the FAA and who are not enrolled with AMA would have an asterisk with their name indicating they may be unfamiliar with rules of our airspace.
And you would think that people who register with the FAA and who are not enrolled with AMA would have an asterisk with their name indicating they may be unfamiliar with rules of our airspace.
12-15-2015, 05:38 AM
#2448
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You would think that AMA could automatically enroll all members with the FAA and provide you with your personal registration number. With so many people questioning the need for AMA, this could be a little extra perk they could provide.
And you would think that people who register with the FAA and who are not enrolled with AMA would have an asterisk with their name indicating they may be unfamiliar with rules of our airspace.
And you would think that people who register with the FAA and who are not enrolled with AMA would have an asterisk with their name indicating they may be unfamiliar with rules of our airspace.
12-15-2015, 05:46 AM
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.So if the AMA is just an insurance company why not buy your insurance somewhere else? Why not call Geico? Perhaps they can solve all your insurance needs in 15 minutes or less.
Might just happen, who knows.
"No reason the membership would need to approve it. "
I guess in your world mine would be let the members decide.
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Might just happen, who knows.
"No reason the membership would need to approve it. "
I guess in your world mine would be let the members decide.
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Mike
