The underlying problem is that it's more difficult for AMA to draw a distinction between hobby fliers and the problematic drone fliers since AMA embraced MRs.

As for SP's comments about bringing down a plane - I can assure you something as small as a ball bearing can bring down a jet. In safety school, I personally went through the wreckage of an AV8 Harrier that was brought down by a single wrist rocket sized metal ball - much smaller than a single MR sized BL motor.

Yes but then that is a single engine plane.

You will never see a model airplane bring down an airliner. Will never happen. The odds of even have and incident is very small, and actually bringing the plane down even smaller.

I've tried to spell it out twice, only to be told it will never happen. Then again, over the years, the unthinkable has happened many times, these being just a few of them:
1) The unsinkable Titanic sank in less than 3 hours
2) "The Mighty Hood" blew up and sank in less than 10 minutes of combat
3) Battleships were shown to be unable to stand up to aircraft with the crippling of the Bismarck and sinking of the Prince of Wales, Repulse, Yamato and Musashi while fully manned and underway at sea
4) The Japanese lost at Midway(though this isn't as unbelievable as it has seemed over the years)
5) Man walked on the moon

Has a spitball taken out an aircraft carrier?

Not yet but, them again, it could happen with the amount of fuel and ordinance the ships lug around the world these days. Then again, no one expected an Airbus twinjet to literally fall out of the air over the south Atlantic due to a pitot tube heater failing.

You obviously don't understand that the FAA has been manufacturing the need for regulating models. So we should not be arguing this. So we should say it will never happen. The FAA asked pilots to report any moving object as a drone, so they did. So we should say it will never happen. The FAA has grossly overestimated the dangers. So we should say it will never happen. The FAA and TSR took Mickey Mouse Money and put a permanent TSR around Disney. So we should say it will never happen.

Maybe you wander why people would vote for Donald Trump? They think maybe he will burn Washington DC down.

Did the FAA manufacture the story about the quad almost hitting a Seattle based news helicopter that was hovering over a story, followed by a second helicopter following the quad back to the operator and turning in the address to the police or a second quad being flown into the Seattle "Great Wheel" and then crashing through a plastic table at a restaurant below? I think not, those were both idiots on the ground that had no affiliation with the FAA. The second Quad is still in the possession of the Seattle Police

This has been going on now for over two years via numerous types of media. In fact people complained bitterly about this, as well as some of the funding directed at this process. There is no campaign that will changes peoples mind about something once they are set in their ways. A prime example of that is found in none other than the AMA forums, look how hard it is to convince "traditional" modelers that MR are part of the hobby.

Please don't make me go dig our your quotes in this and other forums where you indicated that metal in quads wouldn't damage an engine substantially. I believe you said something about metal parts bouncing off...or words to that effect. In fact, in response to your comments saying little damage would result, I think I posted photos of major damage to engine compressor blades, holes in radomes, cockpit windshield's smashed and or penetrated, etc.

Good question.

+1 Apparently Sport doesn't know anything about Jet Engines. Anything besides air, ,and injected water will damage compressor blades, any thing else, then ya got a major problem.

Please don't make me go dig our your quotes in this and other forums where you indicated that the AMA has done this in the past, but not good enough for you. LoL......

Were those AMA pilots following the AMA Safety Code? How about drunk airline pilots? What's being done to ensure that doesn't happen again in the future? When can expect to see breathalyzers in the cockpits and mandatory before push back?

It doesn't matter if they were AMA members or not since they were in violation of several regulations. If they were AMA members, they should be expelled for blatant disregard of the safety code since they not only knew they were in the wrong, they deliberately defied standing rules and regulations.
You make it sound like a pilot drinking right before a flight is the norm rather than the exception. By being made an example, losing their jobs and spending time in jail, these men showed the rest of the community what will happen to them by drinking themselves. If this was a widespread problem, I can see the possibility of being required to take a breathalyzer before heading to the plane. Since this isn't a real issue, I see little need to do so

So find them and prosecute them, just like the full-scale drunks.

Obviously you know nothing about modern jet engine standards. They test them for bird strikes by throwing birds in them up to 10 pounds I believe. They have to maintain a certain amount of power. I said nothing of damage, yes there would be damage, but they still run.

This thread is sickening!!!! I cannot believe how many people are so willing to give up right after right based on what if's, a bunch of over sensationalized media BS hidden behind the guise of "safety". Once again, I ask, how many full scale planes have been brought down in the 10 years that FPV has been around???? I'm waiting. Tick tock. I hear crickets. Now, once again, in the time it has taken me to type this someone has died of a drug overdose and alcohol related event. Hmmm...........I wonder where the BS media, our BS gov't and some of the poeple on this thread who think the gov't should place everybody in a bubble and not let them leave their house should concentrate their "safety" efforts?

Yes, someone flew around the Space Needle and crashed into a table. Stupid dumbass. Not going to stop that, period! How many planes where taken down because of that? How many people where hurt? Right, right. More what if BS.

The gov't/FAA/DOT need to leave this hobby the hell alone. You all know they are just clearing the sky for the retail delivery mechanism of the future.

What if, what if, what if!!!! What if some dickhead drunk t-bones you on the way to work and kills you? That's far more likely then a drone taking out a plane. Where is the outcry to ban cars? Back to the horse and buggy I say!!!

Yes BS. The FAA wants to be involved with this, which should be a local police matter.

how about we ban sporting events? Let's just cancel all live sporting events. The games have to played with nobody present. Sound like a good idea? I mean, what if someone gets hurt or killed? Even just one person is too many. Let's shut down all the stadiums to fans and only allow the players in. Seriously, many, many more people have died at sporting events then have died from a drone strike on a full scale. By the way, no drone has ever taken out a full scale aircraft, but many poeple have died at sporting events. C'mon guys, let's join together to get sporting events banned. See how stupid this is???

They aren't. And there are PLENTY that agree. Just because you say they are, doesn't make it so. They are called opinions, and there are plenty to go around.

EDIT: I just noticed you said "MR". Some MR are a part of the hobby, some aren't.

Astro

There's a blast from the past.

Do I hear 729? How about an update on the Magic 14? So much MR hate, so little action from the haters.

Fair enough. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

I'm going to address the highlighted quotes one at a time:
1) Until the advent of quads, FPV hasn't been an issue since, to fly FPV, YOU FIRST HAD TO KNOW HOW TO FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! The MR has removed that requirement since the MR is designed to be stable. This has led to anyone with an interest in this tech to use it, hence the lack of issues until recently.
2) You don't hear more than a passing comment on the news because one or two people being killed in a DUI event or one dying from an OD is not a big deal in the present world. When a plane goes down, for whatever reason, it's big news because of the amount of people that are victims or involved in the investigation as to why. Looking at that 777 that went down over the Indian Ocean verifies this
3) What if someone had been sitting at that table when the quad came down? What if it had hit them with major injuries or killed them? Would it still be more BS? What if it had been YOU sitting at that table, would it be BS then?
4) How many cars are there on the roads? If the air had as many planes flying as we do cars on the road, you would probably see collisions like on the roads. That is why we have an air traffic control system, to keep the planes a safe distance apart to avoid accidents. The lines on the roads are supposed to do the same thing for the cars, people just get so caught up with texting and smart phones that they forget that they are in control of a vehicle that weighs in excess of two tons and capable of fairly high speeds, leading to the inevitable accidents. In this regard, the auto makers are leading the charge to accidents with mobile wifi systems installed in many models, ENCOURAGING THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY WHILE DRIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Since the odds of dying in a car crash are 1 in 5000, this displays graphically the overcrowding of our roadway system

Look Hydro, I will start out by saying that I am not advocating against aviation safety. I do have my private ticket after all. I also agree with most of what you posted above. I know I get heated, it's just my personality and I never mean to go at any particular person.

To your #1 response: I agree and disagree. I think the majority of people (my opinion 99+%) operate RC aircraft in a responsible way (including FPV). Most people don't invest 500-1000+ dollars to be stupid and reckless. This is my hangup. Banning, severly limiting, legislation against (again in my opinion) less than 1% of the RC aircraft community. That just makes no logical sense. There are always bad apples. People will always do stupid things. You cannot stop it. If a plane is in fact taken down by an RC aircraft, nothing is going to prevent it. Why? Because it was some idiot doing something stupid. IE, one of the <1%er's. Yet we want the other 99+% to suffer. No logical sense in my opinion.

To your #2: I agree 100%, but isn't that sick? We have all this outcry about drones doing something that has never happened, yet we are perfectly fine hearing about the DAILY deaths from drugs and alcohol? Man what a messed up money driven world we live in. We can literally saves multiple families lives per year by doing something as simple as making breathalyzers in cars mandatory. Do we do that? Hell no! Why? Can you imagine the monetary ramifications on multiple levels if the Feds did that? So in the end, we let innocent people die for the all mighty dollar. Real people that are really dying; not potential victims. Pretty sick stuff!!!

To your #3: This is the "what if" game. IF someone was hurt or killed there would be criminal charges and lawsuites. The same as with any kind of stupid behavior that results in another persons injury or death. If it were me? Not sure what to say. What if I get hit by a car, have a heart attack, get hit with a baseball or a million other accidents that could happen? Again, this is my hangup. Singling out an activity and hobby that has yet to cause a true problem. Perceived problem, yes. Actual problem, not so much. Again, we can try and stop many activities that people enjoy that result in actual death and injury.

To your #4: I don't disagree with anything you said. You mentioned inevitable accidents. You also mentioned the car manufacturers trying to make vehicles safer and that is a good thing. Nobody is trying to ban or overregulate vehicles though, as they are with RC aircraft. So, currently the odds of dying in a car are 1 in 5000 and the odds currently of dying in an aircraft realated drone accident is 1 in ? 100 million? 1 billion? 1 trillion? It's hard to quantify because it has not happened.

In the end, all my ranting and raving is about my hatred of the gov't once again trying to inflict uneeded rules and restrictions on 99+% of people enjoying their freedom and hobby because of the always present idiot population of said hobby that is <1% that will never be able to be controlled anyway!

Slow your roll dude, it's all good. No need to be so quick to respond and lash out.... Of course we all have opinions, but the fact is that MRs and yes, drones, are very much part of this hobby. That's not my opinion or yours, that's demonstrable fact. Doesn't matter how many people don't want to embrace them or not, they are in and they are hear to stay. This is no different that when helis became involved in the hobby, there was the same "traditional" contingent that didn't feel they should be involved and/or embraced. And yet they were.

To each their own, use 'em or not, "embrace" them or not, vilify them or not, they are here.