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10-12-2022 | 02:55 AM
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In addition whatever final fine from the FAA, it cost Mikey his YouTube following. It also got the attention of the other FPV influencers on YouTube. Even if Mikey is broke some of those guys do have money, and getting YouTube ad revenue they are considered commercial operators subject to Part 107 penalties. That's part of what jacked up that fine to $182,000, at $1,5000 per offense. Encouraging others to break the law is also an enhancement. So at least in this case there's some deterrent. Going forward the FAA is going to make examples of a few of these jerks and the rest will fall in line. The drone free-for-all has gone on for a long time so it might take a while, but these so called FPV outlaws are a bunch of cowards who've just gotten away with it thanks to AMA. That's who's to blame not the FAA. It's AMA who invited these jerks into the hobby under Section 336.
As the defacto authority under 336, AMA could have said they did not consider drones or other aircraft with GPS navigation to be "model aircraft" under the 336 exemption. Let the droners to deal with the FAA on their own. Instead, AMA invited this lawless FPV faction into the hobby with documents 550 and 560, giving illegal FPV the veneer of legitimacy under Section 336. AMA didn't care that the percentage of droners who follow those rules was statistically zero, or that AMA had no control over these people. It took the droners only a few years to completely destroy the hobby. The drone "free-for-all" is even cited in the RDQ US Court of Appeals decision. It's insane when you think about it.
As the defacto authority under 336, AMA could have said they did not consider drones or other aircraft with GPS navigation to be "model aircraft" under the 336 exemption. Let the droners to deal with the FAA on their own. Instead, AMA invited this lawless FPV faction into the hobby with documents 550 and 560, giving illegal FPV the veneer of legitimacy under Section 336. AMA didn't care that the percentage of droners who follow those rules was statistically zero, or that AMA had no control over these people. It took the droners only a few years to completely destroy the hobby. The drone "free-for-all" is even cited in the RDQ US Court of Appeals decision. It's insane when you think about it.
Mike
10-12-2022 | 06:02 PM
#1054
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AMA invited juvenile delinquents and outright criminals into the hobby. Take a moment and look over AMA's FPV documents 550 and 560 to see what a farce AMA is. Here's just one on spotters: "FPV Spotter is an experienced AMA RC pilot who has been briefed by the FPV pilot on the tasks, responsibilities and procedures involved in being a spotter; is capable and mature enough to perform the duties and is able to assume conventional VLOS control of the aircraft." Are you F'n kidding me.
Remember, until this spotter rule was codified into law by the FAA in 2018, AMA's version was what was required to be exempt under 336 as a "model aircraft". You tell me how many droners followed this rule. Zero.
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10-13-2022 | 02:37 AM
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In the case on question the guy is broke. What good is an unenforceable fine? The FAA can't put him in jail over it. The DOJ potentially could but it would require a referral by the FAA. Who knows, maybe that will happen when they can't get any money from the guy. I think you're missing the point thought. It all went out of control because AMA gave these criminal drone idiots cover under Section 336 for 6 years. Drones gone wild.
AMA invited juvenile delinquents and outright criminals into the hobby. Take a moment and look over AMA's FPV documents 550 and 560 to see what a farce AMA is. Here's just one on spotters: "FPV Spotter is an experienced AMA RC pilot who has been briefed by the FPV pilot on the tasks, responsibilities and procedures involved in being a spotter; is capable and mature enough to perform the duties and is able to assume conventional VLOS control of the aircraft." Are you F'n kidding me.
Remember, until this spotter rule was codified into law by the FAA in 2018, AMA's version was what was required to be exempt under 336 as a "model aircraft". You tell me how many droners followed this rule. Zero.
AMA invited juvenile delinquents and outright criminals into the hobby. Take a moment and look over AMA's FPV documents 550 and 560 to see what a farce AMA is. Here's just one on spotters: "FPV Spotter is an experienced AMA RC pilot who has been briefed by the FPV pilot on the tasks, responsibilities and procedures involved in being a spotter; is capable and mature enough to perform the duties and is able to assume conventional VLOS control of the aircraft." Are you F'n kidding me.
Remember, until this spotter rule was codified into law by the FAA in 2018, AMA's version was what was required to be exempt under 336 as a "model aircraft". You tell me how many droners followed this rule. Zero.
Mike
10-13-2022 | 02:32 PM
#1056
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10-13-2022 | 04:22 PM
#1057
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Here you go, Remote ID modules for Europe, same parameters as the US, Bluetooth 1.5 km range, only $300!!!
https://www.dronisport.it/h850/977-d...rtk-h520e.html
Not universally required until September, 2023, but for you early adopters here is the free app (also available for iPhone):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...g.dronescanner
https://www.dronisport.it/h850/977-d...rtk-h520e.html
Not universally required until September, 2023, but for you early adopters here is the free app (also available for iPhone):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...g.dronescanner
10-13-2022 | 05:20 PM
#1058
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Here you go, Remote ID modules for Europe, same parameters as the US, Bluetooth 1.5 km range, only $300!!!
https://www.dronisport.it/h850/977-d...rtk-h520e.html
Not universally required until September, 2023, but for you early adopters here is the free app (also available for iPhone):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...g.dronescanner
https://www.dronisport.it/h850/977-d...rtk-h520e.html
Not universally required until September, 2023, but for you early adopters here is the free app (also available for iPhone):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...g.dronescanner
10-13-2022 | 05:55 PM
#1059
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You need a better Googlator. It's $293.04, but the euro it is said will be pegged at the dollar before long. Anyway what was your point?.
Edit: It's now $292.95 - plus shipping from (Czechoslovakia?). Well over $300 I think !!! Order one and let us know, since you and barracudahockey claim modules will be easy peasy. I can't remember the last time I spent that much on an RC plane.
Edit: It's now $292.95 - plus shipping from (Czechoslovakia?). Well over $300 I think !!! Order one and let us know, since you and barracudahockey claim modules will be easy peasy. I can't remember the last time I spent that much on an RC plane.
Last edited by ECHO24; 10-13-2022 at 06:15 PM.
10-13-2022 | 07:20 PM
#1061
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Just like AMA's fatal flaw, no concern for anyone else in the hobby. I contend this short-sighted view will result in a very much smaller AMA when there is no one left in the pipeline to replace aging members. The good news is we won't even have to wait for those retirements. With Remote ID, next year and the year after will tell the tale. We'll compare notes then.
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10-14-2022 | 09:49 AM
#1063
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This sort of thing goes way back. The diehard AMAers were up front being on board the forced membership scheme for fellow RC flyers, while AMA gave a free ride to hundreds of thousands of idiot droners like Mikey who don't even know AMA exists. Not the sharpest tools in the box it turns out.
10-14-2022 | 03:42 PM
#1064
This sort of thing goes way back. The diehard AMAers were up front being on board the forced membership scheme for fellow RC flyers, while AMA gave a free ride to hundreds of thousands of idiot droners like Mikey who don't even know AMA exists. Not the sharpest tools in the box it turns out.
10-14-2022 | 05:10 PM
#1065
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By defining drones as "model aircraft' under Section 336, beyond regulation by the FAA, with this in the AMA safety code: "A model aircraft is a non-human-carrying aircraft capable of maintaining sustained flight in the atmosphere". That's the definition of a drone, courtesy of AMA.
Here's how it should have read: "A model aircraft is a non-human-carrying aircraft capable of maintaining sustained flight in the atmosphere, controlled only by manual input of the operator and only in visual line of sight". Drone problem solved.
Here's how it should have read: "A model aircraft is a non-human-carrying aircraft capable of maintaining sustained flight in the atmosphere, controlled only by manual input of the operator and only in visual line of sight". Drone problem solved.
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10-14-2022 | 06:12 PM
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If only someone had a time machine…………..It’s too bad we will never be able to do anything but speculate if anything would have been different. However there is all that evidence sitting in the corner of the room that the FAA has made a distinction between the two and have been pretty much been leaving us alone.
10-14-2022 | 07:11 PM
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Right, they have been leaving us modelers alone which is why they have mandated either installing transponders in all R/C aircraft or force us to join the AMA to fly at a FRIA site. Sounds like they are really leaving us alone to me as well
10-14-2022 | 07:23 PM
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What speed has been trying to tell us, is that if you don't follow the rules, and just fly as we always have, the rules haven't affected us.
Kinda like breaking into your neighbors' house. If you get away with it, the law hasn't affected your ability to do so.
Astro
Kinda like breaking into your neighbors' house. If you get away with it, the law hasn't affected your ability to do so.
Astro
10-14-2022 | 07:56 PM
#1069
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If only someone had a time machine…………..It’s too bad we will never be able to do anything but speculate if anything would have been different. However there is all that evidence sitting in the corner of the room that the FAA has made a distinction between the two and have been pretty much been leaving us alone.
"However there is all that evidence sitting in the corner ..." is jargon for corporate brochures. We get it. You're fine if everyone else gets grounded as long as you can play in your little FRIA box.
10-15-2022 | 01:58 AM
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10-15-2022 | 03:25 AM
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[QUOTE=speedracerntrixie;12747576]If only someone had a time machine…………..It’s too bad we will never be able to do anything but speculate if anything would have been different. However there is all that evidence sitting in the corner of the room that the FAA has made a distinction between the two and have been pretty much been leaving us alone.[/QUOTE]
LOL. Just how do you figure that?
Mike
LOL. Just how do you figure that?
Mike
10-15-2022 | 07:11 AM
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It’s all about perspective Hydro. Has FAA shut down any events known to break 400’? Have we heard of anyone being cited for flying over 400’? We have heard of them granting some flying fields altitudes over 400’ and more in process. They have given us an option to fly without RID modules. Like I told Echo, you are the owner of your decision to reject these options.
10-15-2022 | 07:30 AM
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Indeed, I reject the option of AMA. The same baboons who burned down the hobby are still in charge there. There's also still time for them to screw things up further depending on how the FRIA process goes.
