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Old 11-16-2017 | 06:27 AM
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You guys are a hoot.

If you don't have a Facebook account then you find out when the release goes out.

As for Randy counting ballots, I"m not even going to dignify that. Even Frank Tiano accepted the results of the presidents election without any talk of it being rigged.
It was a joke. Your post about this being "in the books" could have been taken as a "in your face" post but we all looked past that.

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Old 11-16-2017 | 06:38 AM
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Oh, no not at all.

The post was just intended to fill you guys in on the results.
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My post about putting info out on FB was meant in total seriousness. These days, it seems like everyone is almost required to get a FB account just to keep up with the various organizations just because the people that are tasked with putting out info think it's an easy way to do so. I got into it in another forum over videos being posted on FB of an event run a few weeks back. I was told to "Get an account if I really wanted to see the videos and quit my *****in" by someone that thinks they are important. I personally don't have to desire or the time to look things up on FB every time someone thinks the information they are posting is important enough to need posting so that everyone can see it. Just send a blanket email or post the information on the organization's web page(if it has one, in the AMA's case, we know they do) since it takes no more time to do either one of these options than it does to post on FB
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I'm sure they will send out an announcement.

The most likely scenario is they called him and told him he won, he got very excited and posted it on FB. Announcements from HQ are typically a day or so behind.

Think about it, you saw it before anyone that doesn't have FB or RCU (a form of social media) so you're still ahead of the game.
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You could be right but, without talking to him, who knows
Old 11-16-2017 | 09:13 AM
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Looks like this one is in the books and Randy Cameron is the new EVP
The candidate backed by Hanson & Fitch won ... go figure. This brings to mind some lines from Casablanca:


Capt. Louis Renault: "I'm shocked that there is gambling in this establishment.
Waiter: "Sir here are your winnings"
Old 11-16-2017 | 09:21 AM
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Not sure what your implication is other than more people voted for him.
Old 11-16-2017 | 09:22 AM
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The candidate backed by Hanson & Fitch won ... go figure. This brings to mind some lines from Casablanca:



Capt. Louis Renault: "I'm shocked that there is gambling in this establishment.
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That's classic.
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Old 11-16-2017 | 09:24 AM
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Not sure what your implication is other than more people voted for him.
Both used their columns in Model Aviation to discredit Randy's opponent.

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2018 AMA Election Results | Academy of Model Aeronautics Blog

Here's the official announcement
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It does nothing but undermine the trust in fair elections when people with inside knowledge of results are calling candidates before the results are posted.

I wish the same people that are providing early notice of results put the same effort into making sure the AMA completes and posts reports in a timely manner.

2016 Financial Report: Not posted until 10 months into 2017 (and not until I asked about it). Excuse: "It was supposed to have been posted in July."
2016 Insurance Summary: STILL NOT POSTED, 10.5 months into 2017.
2016 Medical Claim Summary: Also was not posted until 10 months in 2017 (and not until I asked about it). No excuse offered.
2016 Fire Theft Vandalism Summary: STILL NOT POSTED, 10.5 months into 2017. Excuse: "We're working on it."
2015 Fire Theft and Vandalism Summary: Final numbers still not complete, 22.5 months past end of 2015. No excuse offered.
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Both used their columns in Model Aviation to discredit Randy's opponent.

Mike
And in doing so, pretty much flipped the bird to 37.6% of the AMA members who voted. I suspect that Hanson will see this as a victory instead of the second major challenge to their strategy in two elections. The question is will Hanson and Cameron acknowledge and address this significant number of members who don't agree with them, or will they stay in their comfy echo chamber of "don't change a thing"?
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You can twist pretty much anything around thats for sure
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
You can twist pretty much anything around thats for sure
Just imagine state or local election officials calling candidates before results are posted. AMA is a multi-million dollar operation. It's long past time they stop running it like a second rate bake sale and start being professional -- whether doing reports on time or handling elections.
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Originally Posted by rcmiket
That's classic.
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Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it!
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
You can twist pretty much anything around thats for sure
Fact remains both used their columns in OUR magazine paid for with OUR dues to help Randy and belittle his opponent. How is that twisting anything?

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What makes you think it's OUR magazine? It doesn't appear so to me.
Old 11-16-2017 | 02:23 PM
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What makes you think it's OUR magazine? It doesn't appear so to me.
Apparently............................ watching the membership numbers over the next couple of years will interesting.

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Fact remains both used their columns in OUR magazine paid for with OUR dues to help Randy and belittle his opponent. How is that twisting anything?

Mike
The twisting was in reference to the guy getting a call that he won the election before the entire world was notified. Who cares. He posted it on his facebook on Wed afternoon. Thursday morning the blog is posted. I don't see where that's an issue.
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
The twisting was in reference to the guy getting a call that he won the election before the entire world was notified. Who cares. He posted it on his facebook on Wed afternoon. Thursday morning the blog is posted. I don't see where that's an issue.
This wasn't a grade school student body president election. This was an election to pick who makes decisions involving millions of dollars. Calling folks before formal results are posted is unprofessional and undermines integrity of the process.
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The twisting was in reference to the guy getting a call that he won the election before the entire world was notified. Who cares. He posted it on his facebook on Wed afternoon. Thursday morning the blog is posted. I don't see where that's an issue.
You don't see a issue that's fine I knew you wouldn't as he's your guy and I have no problem with that But maybe more than you think do have issues with it. He won fine I'll accept that but you can't even see why some feel there's a issue. But the road to the win along with the release before the membership knew stinks to high heaven.
Guess there's a indoor flying site in our future that a majority of the members will never see or use.

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Old 11-16-2017 | 02:52 PM
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This wasn't a grade school student body president election. This was an election to pick who makes decisions involving millions of dollars. Calling folks before formal results are posted is unprofessional and undermines integrity of the process.
Unless the guy who they wanted in the first place and did what they did to help that won. High School Bake Sale mentality is alive and well in Muncie

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Unless the guy who they wanted in the first place and did what they did to help that won. High School Bake Sale mentality is alive and well in Muncie

Mike
Yep, and by the comments by some above, it's pretty clear that many could care less about how approx 37% of voting membership feels. The "no big deal" speaks volumes.
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I see no problem at all with the election results being shared at the end of the election with anyone including the candidates. Why would it matter to anyone in what order they were shared- as long as they are available to everyone. Some people get upset when they are not in the know FIRST- which is really nothing about the election results; rather a character defect because their EGO was bruised-
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Jim, let me ask you a question:
IF you lived on the WEST COAST and were planning on voting in a presidential election, would you vote if the results were posted in mid afternoon? For the east coast, the election would be over so they don't want to wait for the results so the results are posted as soon as there appears to be a winner. For the west coast, some still haven't voted and are now being told their vote means nothing. Same thing applies to the AMA officer voting. IF you were a candidate running for an office and heard from your opponent they had won THE DAY BEFORE the official results were posted, would you want to BELIEVE everything is on the up and up? THAT'S THE POINT SOME ARE TRYING TO MAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, is it fair that some, already in office, use company printed documents to help someone win an office? Again, that smells of corruption and vote tampering and, again, the defeated candidate would be well within their rights to question the results


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