ORIGINAL: mongo

davy:
no one ever said that inteligence was a requirement for election to high office at the ama.
a solid reading of the safety code proves the general lack of inteligence on the part of the rule writers<G>.

ORIGINAL: dave jones

The AMA has finely done done it to us this time. Take a look at the new AMA rules that will take affect on 01-01-2004 on page 163 of MA.

Look under the general part in paragraph 7 in the bold type.

What I like is the part where it states that. The operators of radio control model aircraft shall control the aircraft from the ground and maintain unenhanced visual contact with the aircraft throughout the entire flight operation.

I know that this was put in to prevent guys from flying from a video screen. But if you take the unenhanced visual contact part literally and if you require eye glasses then you will not be aloud to fly models under the new rules.

Then there is the part about. No aircraft shall be equipped with devices that would allow for autonomous flight.

Now read rule #4 it states The maximum takeoff weight of a model with fuel is 55 pounds, except models flown under Experimental Aircraft rules, Document Number 549*.

Now read the rules for free flights (there are only 3 rules for free flight)
FREE FLIGHT
1) I will not launch my model aircraft unless at least 100 feet downwind of spectators and automobile parking.
2) I will not fly my model unless the launch area is clear of all persons except my mechanic and officials.
3) I will employ the use of an adequate device in flight to extinguish any fuses on the model after it has completed its function.

Now read read rule #5
5) I will not fly my model unless it is identified with my name and address or AMA number, on or in the model. Note: This does not apply to models while being flown indoors.

So if I comply with rules # 4 and 5 then I can build a 55 lb Free flight model and if I put my name and address or AMA number, on or in the model I can then fly it under the new AMA rules and I will be covered by there insurance.
Now this 55 lb model can go where ever the wind takes it and that is ok, and if it hits someone or something it is still covered by my AMA insurance.
But if I install a GPS in a 3 lb model and program it to orbit the model field then I will not be covered by the AMA insurance.
Can you please tell me where the HELL the logic is in that?

And how about this part
8) I will not consume alcoholic beverages prior to, nor during, participation in any model operations.

It says prior to, but it does not how long prior to, so it if you go by there rules it could be that if at any time in your life you have ever consume an alcoholic beverage prior to the operation of a model then you are in violation of the rule #8.
If you have ever consume an alcoholic even if it was 20 years ago then you can not operate a model under the described AMA rules.

Dave Jones

ORIGINAL: wsmalley

Where do you find 'Experimental Aircraft' rule/Document 549? BTW, if a person is boss of a group of dues paying members and is in the business of selling products to the members-is that any kind of conflict of interest? Guess not, kind of like THE V.P.'s connection with Halliburton.

ORIGINAL: zxcv11

I thnik he means VP of the U.S. P-51B.

ORIGINAL: P-51B

I figured that may be the case, but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, since the V.P. of the U.S. no longer works for Halliburton, and doesn't sell Haliburton products.

It's a vailed reference to several EC members that have hobby related businesses.

JR

ORIGINAL: stalspin

I don't often visit these forums, but after spending the last two unproductive hours scanning different subjects I now understand more fully why I don't visit.
Same old stuff, maybe different names. My question is with all the energy spent posting, when in the heck do you posters find the time to build or fly model aircraft. Unless of course you are of the current ARF crowd.
And in the long run all the B/S does not solve any problems, WHY? simply because it goes no further than this forum. And you get to revel in your own ego. Just like the old CB craze of a few years back. ten-fer.
jeez